Late BFR

I fly through an organization that requires a proficiency check ride
every six months. As a result I somehow got it into my head that I
didn't need to worry about BFR's any more. But today my instructor
reminded me that a BFR requires an hour of ground instruction, so
technically I have not completed a BFR for (as it turns out) more than
two years (though I have received considerably more recurrent in-flight
training than the regs require). My log book now contains entries for
numerous flights conducted (inadvertently) in violation of FAR61.56.

My question to the group: what is the best way to handle this situation?
Obviously I am going to get my hour of ground instruction ASAP, but what
about all those flights that I've already logged? Should I file an ASRS
form? Call up the local FSDO and confess? Scribble out all those log
entries? Deduct the hours on those illegal flights from my PIC time?
Bribe my flight instructor to back-date my BFR? Or should I just not
worry about it and hope they don't haul my ass to Gitmo for falsifying
my log book?

A call to AOPA couldn't hurt.

A technical violation of the flight review is a minor think,
particularly since you did do "check flights" with the club.
It is an "honest error" and best kept to yourself.

BUT whatever you do, do not try to go back and amend your
logbook to "cover your tracks and make it right. That is
logbook fraud and they will revoke all your certificates and
require you to wait at least 1 year to apply again, and
taking all the required training and testing again.

Don't report yourself and don't bother with the NASA report,
it doesn't cover that type of error.

Just don't do it again. And the new logbook isn't a bad
idea, just transfer the totals and start clean. Maybe burn
the old one.


"kontiki" wrote in message
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| Get a BFR ASAP and make sure it is logged. Beyond that,
| just be thankful that no mishap ocurred thus far that
| would have resulted in your logbook being scrutinized.
|

On 2007-03-24 20:55:52 -0700, "Jim Macklin"
said:

A technical violation of the flight review is a minor think,
particularly since you did do "check flights" with the club.
It is an "honest error" and best kept to yourself.

BUT whatever you do, do not try to go back and amend your
logbook to "cover your tracks and make it right. That is
logbook fraud and they will revoke all your certificates and
require you to wait at least 1 year to apply again, and
taking all the required training and testing again.

Don't report yourself and don't bother with the NASA report,
it doesn't cover that type of error.

Just don't do it again. And the new logbook isn't a bad
idea, just transfer the totals and start clean. Maybe burn
the old one.

I would not recommend burning the old one. Aside from old endorsements
and stuff that might be valuable from an insurance standpoint, there is
usually a lot of emotional attachment to a logbook. I just wouldn't
volunteer its contents to anyone who might look to see if all the BFRs
are in there.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

The logbook is your personal document. It becomes a legal document
only when you submit it for inspection by the FAA for a checkride or
ramp check.

You do not have to show your logbook to the FAA at a ramp check.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

601XL Builder wrote:
Steve Foley wrote:
"Anonymous coward #673" wrote in message
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Scribble out all those log entries?

Buy a new log book and start it with the BFR. Put the old one in a
safe place.



It couldn't hurt to complete a NASA for could it?
It might, because filing an ASRS bars you from filing another one for
something like a year.



Would the protections
apply in a case like this?

On Mar 25, 12:48 pm, Stubby
wrote:
601XL Builder wrote:
Steve Foley wrote:
"Anonymous coward #673" wrote in message
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Scribble out all those log entries?

Buy a new log book and start it with the BFR. Put the old one in a
safe place.

It couldn't hurt to complete a NASA for could it?

It might, because filing an ASRS bars you from filing another one for
something like a year.


You can file as many as you want, but you only qualify for one
immunity every five years. Simply filing an ASRS does not mean you are
using up that one chance. The FAA must come after you for the
violation, using information other than the ASRS itself. Also,
remember that not all ASRS involve a violation. Some are simply
informational or whistle blowers.

You can file a NASA report every day for every flight leg.
But you can only use one to end an FAA enforcement action
once each five years. You don't bring up the NASA report
and your proof of timely filing until the FAA completes an
investigation and says, you have a 9 month suspension or a
$25,000 fine, then you present your NASA slip.


"Stubby" wrote in
message . ..
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| 601XL Builder wrote:
| Steve Foley wrote:
| "Anonymous coward #673" wrote in
message
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| Scribble out all those log entries?
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| Buy a new log book and start it with the BFR. Put the
old one in a
| safe place.
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| It couldn't hurt to complete a NASA for could it?
| It might, because filing an ASRS bars you from filing
another one for
| something like a year.
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| Would the protections
| apply in a case like this?

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On Mar 25, 12:48 pm, Stubby
wrote:
601XL Builder wrote:
Steve Foley wrote:
"Anonymous coward #673" wrote in message
...
Scribble out all those log entries?
Buy a new log book and start it with the BFR. Put the old one in a
safe place.
It couldn't hurt to complete a NASA for could it?
It might, because filing an ASRS bars you from filing another one for
something like a year.


You can file as many as you want, but you only qualify for one
immunity every five years. Simply filing an ASRS does not mean you are
using up that one chance. The FAA must come after you for the
violation, using information other than the ASRS itself. Also,
remember that not all ASRS involve a violation. Some are simply
informational or whistle blowers.



It doesn't even work that way. First off you get immunity (the
info on the form can't be used against you) for each submission.

The every five year thing is the part where the FAA will forgive
enforcement action if you file an ASRS and you haven't another
previous violation in the past five years. The 5-year thing
runs regardless of whether you've used the ASRS get out of free
thing for a previous violation. That is, it's not possible
to "save it up" for a bigger violation.

On 3/25/2007 2:21:50 PM, "Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

Also,
remember that not all ASRS involve a violation. Some are simply
informational or whistle blowers.

Some point out potential safety issues as well (not sure if you included that
in your "informational" definition or not).

Two years ago I filed one to point out that two different, but nearby active
airports shared the same AWOS frequency. When flying to the further airport
from the east, the closer airport's AWOS stepped all over the further
airport's AWOS and it was impossible to receive current weather until about
15 to 20 nm, or about 6 to 8 minutes east of the further airport. Not a big
deal if conditions were benign VFR, but this was an issue when conditions
were low and windy IFR, since the pilot had to scramble to decide and then
set up the desired approach.

Never heard a word back from this report and both airports still share the
same AWOS frequency two years later, so a lot of good that did.

--
Peter

Dan Luke wrote:
You do not have to show your logbook to the FAA at a ramp check.

Jim Stewart wrote:
Don't you have to show it if you're a soloed
student without a regular license?

This question came up when I worked at the flight school. The answer
given to our customers by our CFIs was that you must have your student
license and medical with you in the airplane, and if asked in a ramp
check, you must be able to produce a logbook showing the appropriate
solo endorsement, but you don't have to have the logbook with you *in
the airplane* during the flight.