typical total time and PIC time question

I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I don't
remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt his
dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence.

G Faris

e and PIC time question
From: (G Farris)
Date: 10/14/2004 6:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I
don't
remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt
his
dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence.

G Faris

You're perceptive: I'm using that NTSB report as the basis of a small play. It
happens in the JFK Jr case (I've learned since posting the question) that he
had started training toward his PPL once then abandoned the effort because his
mother had begged him to (she had a premination of him crashing in an airplane
he piloted (See C. Anderson's 'The Day John Died). He was piling on a lot of
time the summer he died, but he had broken an ankle in an ultra light crash on
the Vineyard a few months earlier, so nearly all of his flying since then
(nearly all in the Saratoga) was with an instructor aboard. Those several
events explain some of the seemingly excessive dual time. As a matter of
interest, the only family member who would fly with him, and then only
reluctantly, was his wife. Cousins and uncles outright refused.

I appreciate the statistics and observations many of you had made, thank you.

AJW

AJW wrote:
SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused
about current practices.

I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT, of
which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight
training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed off
on complex SEL aircraft.

My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC, but
that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about you?
When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual,
how much PIC? What's typical today?

Well, I'm only at 100 hours right now... going from memory, about 30 or
so of that is dual, maybe 40 is PIC/solo, and the remainder is what I
called "second pilot" since I didn't know what else to call it...
basically, it's time that I spent flying with my dad before I got my
tailwheel endorsement (and therefore couldn't log the time as PIC since
the airplane was tailwheel). Some of it was him teaching me how to land
the plane, and the rest of it was just flying around so I'd get
comfortable with the airplane and show him that I could fly it safely.
Then, after a year or so of that, his CFI friend went up with me and I
got the tailwheel endorsement and a BFR at the same time.