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Twin take off on one engine?
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, buttman wrote: On Aug 29, 12:50*am, Dallas wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:02:33 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Simply making VMC won't suffice, unless you have enough excess power to make it to the higher speed. So I gather from all this that we can't find anything that says you "can't take off" in the FARs? -- Dallas I remember reading about a publicity stunt some manufacturer did back in the 70s where they flew their aircraft a few hundred miles with one of the props completely unattached to the aircraft/engine. I think it was the Aero Commander 500, IIRC. Actually, it was the prototype Aero Commander, back in the early 1950s. They flew from Oklahoma to Washington, DC, with one of the props strapped to the cabin floor. -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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Twin take off on one engine?
I understand some learjet dealers used to take off on one engine with
a load at high airports to make a point.. But it had enough power that you could exceed the airframe redline in level flight if you pushed the throttles up.... Dave On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:16:50 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: In article , buttman wrote: On Aug 29, 12:50*am, Dallas wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:02:33 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Simply making VMC won't suffice, unless you have enough excess power to make it to the higher speed. So I gather from all this that we can't find anything that says you "can't take off" in the FARs? -- Dallas I remember reading about a publicity stunt some manufacturer did back in the 70s where they flew their aircraft a few hundred miles with one of the props completely unattached to the aircraft/engine. I think it was the Aero Commander 500, IIRC. Actually, it was the prototype Aero Commander, back in the early 1950s. They flew from Oklahoma to Washington, DC, with one of the props strapped to the cabin floor. |
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On Aug 28, 11:23*pm, "vaughn"
wrote: "a" wrote in message ... You'll find the limitations in the pilot operating handbook: the fars demand you observe those handbook limitations. That would be 91.213 *Inoperative instruments & equipment. Of course, if there happens to be an approved minimum equipment list that says that single engine takeoff is OK... Vaughn So you could disable it and placard it inop? |
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Twin take off on one engine?
Clark wrote
Considering a 747 has been fairied on one engine I doubt that very seriously. You probably meant to say "with one engine inop". BTW, it's called "ferried", past tense of "ferry". I imagine that under the right circumstances a twin might legally depart on one engine. If the FAA would issue a "Ferry Permit", also doubtful. Bob Moore ATP B-707, B-727 CFI ASEL-IA |
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"Dallas" wrote in message
... I'm wondering if it's legal? I'm referring to a recent crash where the pilot decided to take off on one engine and clipped a tree. Looking over 91.205, you can't take off with out a magnetic compass.. but it doesn't say anything about one engine out of two. -- Dallas OK, so this thread is beginning to bother me; and, news reports being what they are, it is not possible to parse the meaning from the original post. In the particular case of the accident aircraft: was the take off attempted, in its entirety, with an inoperative engine or did an engine failure occur at some later point in the takeoff seqfuence? The reason for asking is that, in the event that the failure occured at some point during the normal take off sequence; then the questions would center on the preflight calculations regaerding density altitude, gradient, distance to obstacles, and adherence to recommended pilot techniques. OTOH; if the take off was attempted, in its entirety, with an inoperative engine (which seems improbable); then the questions center on the proper planning and execution of a test flight--especially the planning to avoid any collateral damage and the assurance that only necessary crew would be on board. So, since the information provide did not readily facilitate a search for the report of the particular incident, please be a little more specific. Thanks, Peter |
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On Aug 29, 1:16*pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote: In article , *buttman wrote: On Aug 29, 12:50*am, Dallas wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:02:33 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Simply making VMC won't suffice, unless you have enough excess power to make it to the higher speed. So I gather from all this that we can't find anything that says you "can't take off" in the FARs? -- Dallas I remember reading about a publicity stunt some manufacturer did back in the 70s where they flew their aircraft a few hundred miles with one of the props completely unattached to the aircraft/engine. I think it was the Aero Commander 500, IIRC. Actually, it was the prototype Aero Commander, back in the early 1950s. They flew from Oklahoma to Washington, DC, with one of the props strapped to the cabin floor. -- Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me. No, that was Bob Hoover strapped to the cabin door. Oh I do crack me up. |
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"Clark" wrote in message ... Robert Moore wrote in .247: Clark wrote Considering a 747 has been fairied on one engine I doubt that very seriously. You probably meant to say "with one engine inop". BTW, it's called "ferried", past tense of "ferry". Doubt it all you like. Your doubt won't change the fact that it occurred. The aircraft was grounded at some eastern Europe airport with three dead engines and it turned out to be feasible and cheaper to fly the plane to maintenance rather than bring the maintenance to the plane. I believe it was written up in Flying magazine. Seems unlikely that a 747 could even take off on one engine. Maybe if the runway was 10 miles long. |
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Dallas wrote:
I'm wondering if it's legal? I'm referring to a recent crash where the pilot decided to take off on one engine and clipped a tree. Looking over 91.205, you can't take off with out a magnetic compass.. but it doesn't say anything about one engine out of two. He violated 91.13a, careless and reckless operation endangering the life or property of another, unless he owned the aircraft, the crash site, and the tree. Curt |
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Robert Moore wrote:
Clark wrote Considering a 747 has been fairied on one engine I doubt that very seriously. You probably meant to say "with one engine inop". BTW, it's called "ferried", past tense of "ferry". I imagine that under the right circumstances a twin might legally depart on one engine. If the FAA would issue a "Ferry Permit", also doubtful. Bob Moore ATP B-707, B-727 CFI ASEL-IA In the early days of the 747, one arrived at London Heathrow with one engine silent. Not only silent, but missing.... Brian W |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:40:51 -0400, Peter Dohm wrote:
So, since the information provide did not readily facilitate a search for the report of the particular incident, please be a little more specific. I replied via email.. but basically the sketchy details are he http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?pa...articleId=4997 I'd say he's going to need at least a couple of new engine mounts. "brantford.com contacted VanBerlo today but he declined to comment." Yeah.. no kidding... I wouldn't have even given them my name. -- Dallas |
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