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Master Jet Base
Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet
base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. -Moe |
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"MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote in message news:HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06... Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. I've never heard of those terms. Where did you encounter them? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote in message news:HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06... Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. I've never heard of those terms. Where did you encounter them? They are predominately on the websites and entry signs at the bases. |
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I don't know for sure any more, but I had an old timer tell me once that
Master Jet Base meant that the field was open (not necessarily controlled in the tower) 24/7. The term may not be applicable any more. --Woody On 4/16/05 1:55 PM, in article Bcd8e.13889$Zn3.8536@trnddc02, "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote in message news:HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06... Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. I've never heard of those terms. Where did you encounter them? They are predominately on the websites and entry signs at the bases. |
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In article HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06,
"MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote: Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. -Moe My understanding it's a facilities issues and at a minimum, parallel runways and fuel pits must be part of it. That works at the three I can think of off the top of my head, Cecil (gone of course) Oceana and now MCAS Miramar. NUW with it's single runways and truck pits (at least whe I left in 95) just set up for FCLP's doesn't. Pugs |
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"MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote:
Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. There are no such criteria. There isn't even a "criteria" for "jet base". The only criteria for those two bases is contained in their official, and identical, designations, Naval Air Station. Which means a U. S. Navy base whose primary purpose and facilities are designed for the operation of aircraft, primarily USN aircraft, although they will allow USMC, USA, and even USAF aircraft to use their facilities. While some NASs are populated mainly by jet aircraft, other NASs are tenanted primarily by rotary-winged aircraft, or by propellor-driven aircraft - although technically nowadays those are mostly turbo-props rather than the reciprocating engines of yesteryear. And most NASs will graciously allow all three types of aircraft to use their station, regardless of what constitutes their primary aircraft population. Ergo, there is no such thing, officially, as a Navy "jet base". Just naval air stations. The "master" of Oceana is probably compliments of a very imaginative public affairs officer whose name is lost in the mists of time. As is the "premier" of Whidbey Island. Wonder if it was the same LT at both places? Hmmm. -- OJ III [Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading. Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.] |
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Allen wrote in
: In article HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06, "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote: Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. -Moe My understanding it's a facilities issues and at a minimum, parallel runways and fuel pits must be part of it. That works at the three I can think of off the top of my head, Cecil (gone of course) Oceana and now MCAS Miramar. NUW with it's single runways and truck pits (at least whe I left in 95) just set up for FCLP's doesn't. Lemoore was also a Master Jet Base at one time, and may still be. It certainly fits into the above criteria. AFAIK, that was an official designation by the Navy, and not just "compliments of a very imaginative public affairs officer". IIRC, there was a big article in one of the glossy rags (All Hands? Approach?) when the first one was designated back in the 60s but don't recall the details. I think NAS Jax is designated as a Master ASW Base, too. Dave in San Diego |
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"MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote in message news:Bcd8e.13889$Zn3.8536@trnddc02... They are predominately on the websites and entry signs at the bases. Sounds like a bit of meaningless self-promotion then. |
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In article ,
Dave in San Diego wrote: Allen wrote in : In article HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06, "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote: Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. -Moe With my curiosity now piqued I did some searching and found this out of a Navy Fire Safety Article. at the link http://www.cni.navy.mil/newsletters/Fire_Mar_05.pdf. What is a Master Jet Base? One of the earliest conversations in the old NAVFAC F&ES Program Office centered on the Master Jet Base designation. We¹d seen signs and prominent internet banners proclaiming Naval Air Station So & So as a MASTER JET BASE, but is that an official designation and what exactly constitutes such a designation? A careful look at NATOPS came up empty, as did a direct inquiry to NAVAIR. So is this an urban legend or what? District Fire Chief Steve Vogt of Navy Region Mid Atlantic provided us with what we assume is a definitive answer: I have talked with retired Chief Warrant Officer Joseph Salt (also retired Assistant Fire Chief NAS Oceana) about the MASTER JET BASE designation. It is a term to signify the consolidation of assets given to select air base sites based on the assignment of like aircraft from multiple locations to a single base to support the Fleet mission. Service, support, and supply facilities also had to be consolidated at these Master Jet Bases. Pilot Qualification Training and Fleet Pilot Combat Training for assigned aircraft must also be provided, as well as training facilities and schools to provide the fleet with support personnel (LSO, flight simulators, etc.). Basically; House, Repair, Equip, Train, and Deploy Combat Ready Aircraft to be the Tip of the Nations Sword! Original Master Jet Base Designation was given to; East Coast: NAS Oceana and NAS Cecil Field West Coast: NAS Lemoore and NAS Miramar Since NAS Miramar was transferred to the Marine Corps and NAS Cecil Field was closed, the only remaining MASTER JET BASES are NAS Lemoore and NAS Oceana. While that's interesting I also found a reference in the history of NAS Brunswick at the site http://www.nasb.navy.mil/nasb_history.htm On March 15, 1951, the national ensign was again hoisted to the peak of the flag pole, recommissioning the dormant-base as a Naval Air Facility with the established mission of supporting three land-plane patrol squadrons and one Fleet Aircraft Service Squadron, and a planned future mission as a master jet base. The Navy, in December of 1950, requested $35,000,000 from Congress to be used for this master jet project. Such a base required dual 8,000 foot runways and two outlying fields, one for gunnery and one for carrier practice landings. In June of 1951, the Secretary of Defense submitted a request to Congress for approximately $20,000,000 for the station. This money was to be used for additional barracks, officers' quarters, and enlisted mens' club, control tower, storage, and communication buildings, new galleys and mess facility, to make it a permanent installation. While Brunswick never become a master jet base it still remains a fine place to get a Prowler cheek panel full of lobsters Pugs |
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The previous posts by Allen and OJ come closest to my recollection. As a
Navy brat in the 1950s and 1960s I first heard the term with reference to consolidating aircraft types at certain bases. Mini-backgrounder: Back in the 1950s, each active duty Air Group was based as a unit at one location, ex all the cats and dogs. (They weren't called Air Wings until sometime in the 1960s IIRC.) Thus all the squadrons of Air Group Nine - VF-91, VF-92, VA-93, VA-94 and VA-95 - were based at NAS Alameda. When the Master Base concept was implemented on the west coast, all the fighters went to NAS Miramar and all the light attack went to the then brand-new NAS Lemoore. I'm not sure but this may have come about at the same time as (or as the result of) the implementation of NATOPS. In any event, it made better sense to consolidate types for purposes of training and equipment maintenance. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "Let me tell you How it will be. There's one for you, Nineteen for me, "'Cause I'm the taxman. Yeah, I'm the taxman. "Should five percent Appear too small, Be thankful I don't Take it all. "'Cause I'm the taxman. Yeah, I'm the taxman." - The Beatles "MICHAEL OLEARY" wrote in message news:HTc8e.24133$hB6.9873@trnddc06... Does anyone know what the criteria are for designating a NAS as a master jet base? For example NAS Oceana is a master jet base but NAS Whidbey Island is a premier jet base. Any leads would be great. Google wasn't very helpful. -Moe |
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