PC flight simulators

I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for
computers.And
anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to
fly
your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse
it
with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown
Air
Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense.
Now
be a good guy and just go away.

My God, I really cannot believe how much of a git you are. Get back on your
Lithium and stay away from the keyboard until your therapist clears you to
use it again.

Van.

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message
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I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles is the best WWII sim on the market IMHO.

For modern, well for fun I would have to say Jane's USAF, for realism,
honestly I cannot say as most of the ones I have played seem to come up a
bit short, but Jane's F-15, IAF and Longbow were good in their day.

The big problem PC 'pilots' will run into if they have really gotten
into 'flying' the PC is that when they get into a real airplane to
learn to fly the instructor will be concentrating on teaching them how
to control the aircraft by looking !outside! at the real world and not
concentrating on the gauges. 'IFR/IMC' flying comes into play much
later - first you have to learn to land the airplane and that is done
looking outside! Also since most of your initial flying will be done
in the vicinity of the airport it's a damn good idea to watch out for
other aircraft - 'blue on blue' the hard way is generally not
survivable. That said, I reiterate that you can keep your instrument
scan/crosscheck up to snuff using a decent PC program more
conveniently and a lot cheaper than renting an aircraft or decent
instrument trainer (AST300 or similar.)
Walt BJ

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Voltigeur"
Date: 11/17/03 12:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: UW9ub.8931$vi5.4042@okepread04



I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for
computers.And
anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to
fly
your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse
it
with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown
Air
Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense.
Now
be a good guy and just go away.

My God, I really cannot believe how much of a git you are. Get back on your
Lithium and stay away from the keyboard until your therapist clears you to
use it again.

Van.



PLONK
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Simon Robbins"
Date: 11/17/03 10:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

To answer the original poster's question: FS 2004 is a fantastically
detailed product for civilian flight, and Falcon 4 has yet to be beaten for
sheer wealth of features and attention to detail in the military games
market. But they are, in the end, entertainment products.

Si



Exactly. I think that is what I pointed out in my original reply.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Jim Baker" wrote in message
t...

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Jim Baker"
Date: 11/16/03 8:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


fter reading that initial post, look at your nonsensical, standing on a
soapbox, idiotic post above.

Jim
Sims Flown: Link, T-38, B-52, B-1B and B-727, Former Instructor Pilot
in
the T-38,B-52, B-1B aircraft and simulator.
AND, I play with the Microsoft Flight Sim sometimes just for the hell
of
it.



PLONK !
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Seriously Art, get some help. I'm not one of the guys who baits you,
harasses you or gets into verbal fights with you. However, with great
sincerity and no animosity whatever, based on this thread, I think you're
having some kind of breakdown.

Art is a good guy, Baker and unlike yourself has not misreprestnted his
airplane. (ie Bone) Now bugger off.

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 11/17/03 12:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Jim Baker" wrote in message
et...

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Jim Baker"
Date: 11/16/03 8:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


fter reading that initial post, look at your nonsensical, standing on a
soapbox, idiotic post above.

Jim
Sims Flown: Link, T-38, B-52, B-1B and B-727, Former Instructor Pilot
in
the T-38,B-52, B-1B aircraft and simulator.
AND, I play with the Microsoft Flight Sim sometimes just for the hell
of
it.



PLONK !
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Seriously Art, get some help. I'm not one of the guys who baits you,
harasses you or gets into verbal fights with you. However, with great
sincerity and no animosity whatever, based on this thread, I think you're
having some kind of breakdown.

Art is a good guy, Baker and unlike yourself has not misreprestnted his
airplane. (ie Bone) Now bugger off.



At least I have one friend around here. (grin)





Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 16 Nov 2003 18:51:41 -0800, (WaltBJ) wrote:

snip
When I was at the F-18 RAG/FRS, they had three simulators, of three
entirely different levels of sophistication. The simplest one was
really just for practicing switchology on. The most realistic one had
a real cockpit and dome, with incredibly good CGI and the ability to
link with the other dome sim to fly in a two-man in a common scenario.
The third was about halfway between these two.

All of which run with large errors to the actual aircraft. A lack of
simulator accuracy often leads to the flight test operator flying through
the requested parameter, while having had the same manouver produce correct
results.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 11/17/03 7:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I understand. But you are hardly talking about Flight Simulator on a home
computer are you? Sounds like what youy are decribing is way out if the
reach
of anyone with a home setup..You are also talking about a highly
specialised
dedicated setup to solve very specific puposes. Not the sort of stuff
readily
available at Best Buy is it?

No Art, what Ed is describing is that the state of the art for military
simulators was highly deficient in accuracy, at the time of the YF-23. What
mary described is true, but also showed a basic ignorance of the limitations
of the high dollar military simulator.

The cocktail aviation crowd has been out of touch, since the industry
sobered up in the 1990s.

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 11/17/03 1:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: PC flight simulators
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 11/17/03 7:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I understand. But you are hardly talking about Flight Simulator on a home
computer are you? Sounds like what youy are decribing is way out if the
reach
of anyone with a home setup..You are also talking about a highly
specialised
dedicated setup to solve very specific puposes. Not the sort of stuff
readily
available at Best Buy is it?

No Art, what Ed is describing is that the state of the art for military
simulators was highly deficient in accuracy, at the time of the YF-23. What
mary described is true, but also showed a basic ignorance of the limitations
of the high dollar military simulator.

The cocktail aviation crowd has been out of touch, since the industry
sobered up in the 1990s.



(HIC)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer