Rutan on Global Warming

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?


Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

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"Dan Luke" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?


Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

A few climate scientists are included he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming

Next up: a vote to determine which explanation of lift is correct.

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

So which of his numbers is wrong?

Which of his numbers is relevant?

I thought they were all relevant. Warmer air holds more moisture,
therefore
presumably more cloud formation and precipitation might occur.

Why do you presume that? The relative humidity of the global atmosphere is
fairly constant. If the temperature of the atmosphere increases, the amount
of water vapor it can contain also increases. That does not mean
"presumably" that more cloud formation and precipitation will occur.

The odd thing is, if cloud formation and precipitation increase to
"offset" an increase in CO2, I expect it would happen precisely because
the
atmosphere _had_ warmed. So his numbers are "merely" useful in determining
the equilibrium point that the atmosphere might warm to - not that no
warming would take place or that it isn't a concern.

He knows more than the scientists. Impressive!

"Locus ab auctoritate est infirmissimus"

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?

Why not comment respectfully on his alleged facts and line of argument
rather than do the online equivalent of sneering?

I don't agree with Rutan, but I'm not a climate scientist either. Are you?

Indeed not, but I have seen Rutan's assertions refuted by people who are.
When I see a naive layman such as Rutan proclaiming that the scientists are
wrong, I am skeptical. Am I wrong to be so?

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Dan

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Dan Luke wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?


Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

Define what you are talking about.

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous.

Not everyone agrees the cause is human.


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"Jim Logajan" wrote:

Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

A few climate scientists are included he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming


McNicoll's claim was "many".

The Wiki link you provided hardly supports that claim, does it?

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Dan Luke wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?


Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

Define what you are talking about.

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous.

Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.

Not everyone agrees that the Earth orbits the Sun or that it is more than
6,000 years old. So what?

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Dan Luke wrote:

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.


After you.

Dan Luke wrote:

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than
previous. Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.


Can you provide anything, ANYTHING, that supports that wild assertion?

Dan Luke wrote:

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Dan Luke wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

I would say the argument from cluelessness is weakest.

Rutan charged that climate scientists have it wrong, setting himself
as a superior authority. Is he?


Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

Define what you are talking about.

Just about everyone agrees the past few decades are warmer than previous.

Not everyone agrees the cause is human.

No, just every scientific professional organization in the world.

That's a pretty big claim, and I assume you are talking about AGW,
not just warming, so what do you have to back that claim up?

Not everyone agrees that the Earth orbits the Sun or that it is more than
6,000 years old. So what?

Non responsive; the group under discussion was "climate scientists", not
the general population.


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Dan Luke wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

Rutan is in agreement with many climate scientists.

No, he isn't. Unless the definition of "many" equals 3 or 4.

Please provide cites.

A few climate scientists are included he

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming


McNicoll's claim was "many".

The Wiki link you provided hardly supports that claim, does it?

Try this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-t...keptics-2009-7


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