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"Newps" wrote in message
news "Gary Drescher" wrote in message news:0pRSc.137433$eM2.73403@attbi_s51... Is it actually unsafe to have two people sitting side-by-side and sharing a seat belt, if their combined weight is within the belt's design limit? (I don't know; just asking.) It's not legal unless the airplane is designed for that. What regulation does it violate? I recently asked the Boston FSDO if seatbelt sharing is legal, and they said yes. They cited an interpretation from May 8, 1972 from the Acting Associate General Counsel of the Regulations and Codification Division: "...as long as approved safety belts are carried aboard the aircraft for all occupants, and the structural strength requirements for the seats are not exceeded, the seating of two persons whose combined weights does not exceed 170 pounds under one safety belt where the belt can be properly secured around both persons would not be a violation of the regulations for an operation under Part 91." --Gary |
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"Cy Galley" wrote in message
news:soUSc.138373$eM2.57714@attbi_s51... (b) Each forward-facing or aft-facing seat/restraint system in normal, utility, or acrobatic category airplanes must consist of a seat, a safety belt, and a shoulder harness, with a metal-to-metal latching device, that are designed to provide the occupant protection provisions required in §23.562. Sounds like you need a safety belt for each seat and the word occupant is singular. I think that parses as "the occupant-protection provisions", referring to a generic occupant. (See my reply to Newps in this thread for the legal opinion cited by the Boston FSDO.) --Gary -- Cy Galley Safety Programs Editor EAA Sport Pilot |
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"Newps" wrote in message
... No idea as I never researched it that far. However this is one of the most brought up topics on the Cessna Pilots Assoc website, usually somebody with a 172 or 182 that wants to put three kids in the back seat. The answer is you cannot legally put two people in one seat belt or use some kind of belt extender to put three people under a combination of two belts. Ok, but that's not the FSDO's answer. --Gary |
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You have to remember that once certified, it is legal. My Bellanca 1948
14-13-2 has only one belt for the back seat. I'd be willing to bet that a new Viking has 4 seats with four belts and harnesses. You have changed all the friction ends to metal to metal, haven't you? Believe this was done by AD. They probably could make everyone have a shoulder harness if they want to push it. -- Cy Galley Safety Programs Editor EAA Sport Pilot "Rich S." wrote in message ... "Cy Galley" wrote in message news:soUSc.138373$eM2.57714@attbi_s51... (b) Each forward-facing or aft-facing seat/restraint system in normal, utility, or acrobatic category airplanes must consist of a seat, a safety belt, and a shoulder harness, with a metal-to-metal latching device, that are designed to provide the occupant protection provisions required in §23.562. Sounds like you need a safety belt for each seat and the word occupant is singular. I don't know if the Pipers - which were certified with a single belt for both occupants - were produced before, or after the change to "normal, utility, or acrobatic category". I seem to remember flying a Taylorcraft that had but a single belt, too - but I might be mistaken. Rich S. |
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Newps wrote:
Ray Andraka wrote: THere is a child seat STC for the 172 that puts a childs seat in the baggage compartment. Its a useless STC though, seeing a 172 is barely a four place aircraft as far as useful load goes. It's not an STC but an option from Cessna. I had the third row seat option when I bought my 182 and all it really is is a couple of pads and a seat belt. I sold it shortly after I bought the plane. I think it is more than that. Since I bought your seat, and tried to have it installed, and was told by the A&P that it needed mounting hardware which didn't come with your seat. I never was able to get it installed and sold it with the airplane. Matt |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message ... No idea as I never researched it that far. However this is one of the most brought up topics on the Cessna Pilots Assoc website, usually somebody with a 172 or 182 that wants to put three kids in the back seat. The answer is you cannot legally put two people in one seat belt or use some kind of belt extender to put three people under a combination of two belts. Ok, but that's not the FSDO's answer. --Gary Which FSDO and what was there answer? Matt |
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message ... No idea as I never researched it that far. However this is one of the most brought up topics on the Cessna Pilots Assoc website, usually somebody with a 172 or 182 that wants to put three kids in the back seat. The answer is you cannot legally put two people in one seat belt or use some kind of belt extender to put three people under a combination of two belts. Ok, but that's not the FSDO's answer. --Gary I'd also check your insurance policy. Nowadays, unfortunately, insurance requirements are often more troublesome than the FARs. And you really don't want to find your insurance void when you need it most. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... Gary Drescher wrote: "Newps" wrote in message ... No idea as I never researched it that far. However this is one of the most brought up topics on the Cessna Pilots Assoc website, usually somebody with a 172 or 182 that wants to put three kids in the back seat. The answer is you cannot legally put two people in one seat belt or use some kind of belt extender to put three people under a combination of two belts. Ok, but that's not the FSDO's answer. --Gary Which FSDO and what was there answer? See my immediately prior post in this thread. --Gary |
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Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying
regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my pilot friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing. On the rare occassions when I need to carry my entire family, I can rent a Cherokee Six. The rest of the time it just me and a friend or two travelling by Archer. Regards, Mike http://mywebpage.netscape.com/amountainaero/fspic1.html "Kyler Laird" wrote in message ... "Jim Burns" writes: If you plan on flying Part 91, there is no requirement for each passenger to have their own seatbelt. Hmmm...I recently got a card for an STC to stick three people in the back of my Aztec. I'm just Part 91 so I wonder what good the STC would do? --kyler |
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"Mike Noel" wrote in message ... Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my pilot friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing. That was my thought when I posted. I should have explained more. I have friends that bought larger aircraft only to realize that they usually fly solo or with a single passenger. Buying small and renting big could be money ahead. |
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