C-172 down at HPN - 2 fatalities

"A.Coleman" wrote in message
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Says something about American Flyers that it's taking a
primary student up shooting instrument approaches in low IMC .

As far as I am concerned, it would be just fine for a flight school to give
intro rides to prospective pilots, no less student pilots, in low IMC. The
relevant question is the experience level of the CFII, especially his
experience in low IMC. It is entirely possible for a CFII to have never
been in a cloud and/or to have never been in the right seat in IMC -- THOSE
experience factors are far more important IMHO than the experience of the
pilot in the left seat.

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Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

"A.Coleman" wrote in message
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Says something about American Flyers that it's taking a
primary student up shooting instrument approaches in low IMC .

As far as I am concerned, it would be just fine for a flight school to give
intro rides to prospective pilots, no less student pilots, in low IMC. The
relevant question is the experience level of the CFII, especially his
experience in low IMC. It is entirely possible for a CFII to have never
been in a cloud and/or to have never been in the right seat in IMC -- THOSE
experience factors are far more important IMHO than the experience of the
pilot in the left seat.

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Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

Earlier thread idicated 200 and 1/8 I believe. If that's what is being
reported, a good lesson may be that, "we don't even try that, it's time
to divert"

A.Coleman wrote:
The damned ceiling couldn't have been more than 500 feet. Temp/dewpoint
spread was zero. Says something about American Flyers that it's taking a
primary student up shooting instrument approaches in low IMC .

I agree, but it is more meaningful to the pilot if he/she has had some
instrument training. I once gave a cross country phase check to a
(quite capable) student pilot. When we departed (near dusk) it was VFR
but when we returned 45 minutes later, the infamous Southern California
stratus had covered our home base. I had the student fly the whole
approach. I handled the radios and watched carefully. Althought it
wasn't "low IMC" it was a great experience for him- a real confidence
builder.

Lee Elson
Richard Kaplan wrote:
"A.Coleman" wrote in message
. ..

Says something about American Flyers that it's taking a
primary student up shooting instrument approaches in low IMC .

As far as I am concerned, it would be just fine for a flight school
to give
intro rides to prospective pilots, no less student pilots, in low
IMC. The
relevant question is the experience level of the CFII, especially his
experience in low IMC. It is entirely possible for a CFII to have
never
been in a cloud and/or to have never been in the right seat in IMC --
THOSE
experience factors are far more important IMHO than the experience of
the
pilot in the left seat.

--------------------
Richard Kaplan

www.flyimc.com

An old flame.



wrote in message
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wrote:
What does the reporter say in the article that causes you to classify
him
as an "assoholic?"

What I think is funny: "burning flame"

Really!?!?! What other kinds of flames are there?

--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com

Andrew Gideon wrote:

It's possible that there was no contact with the tower if the pilot hadn't
been handed off yet (or if he never made contact with the tower after the
hand-off).

He's 1/4 mile from the runway and hasn't been handed off yet?

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Its possible those facts were relayed to the reporter, who then added
them to the article out of context.

--
Peter


And gets information he doesn't understand he should follow up on it, not
just stick it in the story.

I've never seen a reporter do that... they think they have it right the
first time and are the most stupid people I've seen... seeming to be
experts at things they no nothing about... they don't even know enough to
ask the question..

but that's JMHO
BT

In article 240420051342072877%bodhijunkoneeightyeightjunkatm , Tom Fleischman wrote:

A Cessna 172 crashed yesterday short of the approach end of RWY 16
killing the pilot and instructor aboard. No cause for the accident has
yet been established, but the weather was at or near minimums for the
ILS-16 approach at the time of the crash and and tracking the flight
on:

Expletive. This hits too close to home. My sympathies to both
families.


Morris

BTIZ wrote:

I've never seen a reporter do that... they think they have it right the
first time and are the most stupid people I've seen...

The few with which I've dealt haven't seemed to be stupid -- they're just in too
much of a hurry to double-check things. Gotta make that deadline.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

George, this is not about common sense, this is about the belief that only
you have common sense and the rest of the world are idiots. The sooner you
get that, the sooner you will stop posting these reasonable posts and get
with the flaming.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
news:Pmhbe.4701$WX.776@trndny01...
BTIZ wrote:

I've never seen a reporter do that... they think they have it right the
first time and are the most stupid people I've seen...

The few with which I've dealt haven't seemed to be stupid -- they're just
in too much of a hurry to double-check things. Gotta make that deadline.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.