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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang" wrote: Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely done!! Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous ****ing contests don't really help, do they? Dave Dave, I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers. Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are insisting we do? At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm. gdp |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:35:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang" wrote: Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely done!! Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous ****ing contests don't really help, do they? Dave And I hit 60 in a few days. I also challenge the notion that age has much to do with it, A lot of kids today may use technology that is unfamiliar to us, uh, advanced middle-aged folk, but their understanding of the workings of that technology is often limited to not much more than knowing where the power switch is. |
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
wrote: Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous ****ing contests don't really help, do they? Dave Dave, I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers. Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are insisting we do? At our ages, you and I are an exception - not a norm. I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force. I never insisted on anything. Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures, but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and software. Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or be "left behind." The notion of "struggle" is also phony. Downloading Agent and clicking "install" is hardly a struggle. "Struggle" is what I did this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience, time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot, and Microsoft. There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at all--at least not the way I did it. As I've pointed out before, I knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group, and you don't need to understand it one bit to use it--in fact, it is no more complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as "basic." About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress. And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local senior center (which is fully computer-equipped). I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize. |
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I concur :-)
"Boomerang" wrote in message ... Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely done!! |
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in
: "G.Kuhn" wrote in message ... My second post on this subject..... Flame suit on :-) WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files? Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software. And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing. Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a bonus. Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the embarrassing way :-) Buffy Hi, Buffy ! Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of the same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into this group and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term posters. There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well - if a person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files, e-books and other large files then something like yEnc is nearly mandatory. On the other hand, this is a still picture group where the file sizes rarely exceed 300KB. A file that size will download with yEnc in about 10 seconds on a DSL connection, around 12 seconds without yEnc. Two seconds may be an eternity for an impetuous youngster but it is totally insignificant in this newsgroup. Step up to cable service and differences in D/L time become almost immeasurable. With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here wanting to ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to install ANY kind of software on their computers. Some are (or were, before they bailed) barely able to use email and read this newsgroup. So, should we just tell them to fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the invaders would tell their own grandparents to F-off but for some reason they don't hesitate to tell those here to do the same. This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical information regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various wars, and have been most generous by providing priceless information of a historical nature. Some of these same people are embarrassed to reveal a lack of skill using a computer and will simply leave to avoid the insolence of some snot-nosed kid who tells them to get out of the dark ages and upgrade to *their* standards. This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a usage guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their computer skills. Is this too difficult to understand? gdp In the time you have written the above epistel you could have downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer keyhits and fewer mouse clicks. This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people around here that are very willing to walk you through it. A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to his own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of that he has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there are more of them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as small as you can. I know I will. -- Cheers, Bert-Jan |
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"Bert-Jan" wrote in message ... "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "G.Kuhn" wrote in message ... My second post on this subject..... Flame suit on :-) WHAT is so flippen difficult in reading/opening yenc files? Yes, I don't particularly like them, but it is SO easy to download and save them in OE, and then decoding with 3rd party software. And this from about six years back already, when I started net surfing. Heck, anything that saves bandwidth in this retard country of mine, is a bonus. Maybe, just maybe, slow down on the ranting and raving, and discreetly ask for help, draws less attention to one's shortcomings, I learnt that the embarrassing way :-) Buffy Hi, Buffy ! Perhaps I can explain the problem to you since you don't seem to be of the same brash ilk as the bombastic group of kids who charged into this group and exiled our most prolific and congenial long-term posters. There is nothing wrong with yEnc. Mr. Noise explained it very well - if a person is a user of many newsgroups and downloads media files, e-books and other large files then something like yEnc is nearly mandatory. On the other hand, this is a still picture group where the file sizes rarely exceed 300KB. A file that size will download with yEnc in about 10 seconds on a DSL connection, around 12 seconds without yEnc. Two seconds may be an eternity for an impetuous youngster but it is totally insignificant in this newsgroup. Step up to cable service and differences in D/L time become almost immeasurable. With that said, the real reason(s) for the regular members here wanting to ban yEnc is that some are TOO OLD to understand how to install ANY kind of software on their computers. Some are (or were, before they bailed) barely able to use email and read this newsgroup. So, should we just tell them to fuddle off or upgrade? I doubt if the invaders would tell their own grandparents to F-off but for some reason they don't hesitate to tell those here to do the same. This is a global group of people who share the same love for aviation photos. The older members have provided a wealth of historical information regarding vintage aircraft, their experiences in various wars, and have been most generous by providing priceless information of a historical nature. Some of these same people are embarrassed to reveal a lack of skill using a computer and will simply leave to avoid the insolence of some snot-nosed kid who tells them to get out of the dark ages and upgrade to *their* standards. This is why a large amount of time was invested here to hammer out a usage guideline that would be agreeable to all regardless of their computer skills. Is this too difficult to understand? gdp In the time you have written the above epistel you could have downloaded, installed and be up and running Xnews TWICE. With fewer keyhits and fewer mouse clicks. This is NOT difficult and if you are not sure how to there are people around here that are very willing to walk you through it. A friend of mine lives on a farm here in the netherlands and is, to his own disgust, still dependant on dial-up connection. On top of that he has up- and down load limits. So for these people (and there are more of them than you can imagine) please keep your posts as small as you can. I know I will. -- Cheers, Bert-Jan Good morning Bert-Jan, Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have always been accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every request for a re-post of a smaller version (or a larger version for that matter) of an original posting has been honored. It's only a matter of mutual respect. Thank you for your observations and comments. Don |
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"Just Plane Noise" wrote in message ... On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:35:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:18:33 -0400, "Boomerang" wrote: Don...as a geezer fully capable in yEnc and a dozen other equally unpronounceable software applications, I think this message of yours is an absolute masterpiece of compassion, consideration and common sense. Nicely done!! Mmmm. Well, I am a 70 yo geezer who subscribes to a very good news reader and I can't tell the difference between yenc and jpeg. I don't even look at the format. My only complaint is the incessant whining about yenc. No one is making anyone switch to yenc. If you can not open it, so be it. Continue to open those pics you can see. As far as wasted bandwidth, well, threads like this and all the previous ****ing contests don't really help, do they? Dave And I hit 60 in a few days. I also challenge the notion that age has much to do with it, A lot of kids today may use technology that is unfamiliar to us, uh, advanced middle-aged folk, but their understanding of the workings of that technology is often limited to not much more than knowing where the power switch is. Sorry, Noise, mythology will not support your position. gdp |
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"Just Plane Noise" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt" wrote: snip I see Don is repeating that same nonsense implying force. And I see that anything that anyone other than yourself says is always nonsense. I never insisted on anything. Smug re-invented and expanded ! For starters, you insisted that the established guidelines of this group are null and void. Then you insisted that you will post any way you choose and those who can't read your posts can upgrade to your standards or leave. Yes, you need yEnc decoding to see my pictures, Because you insist. but you also need a newsreader, and a computer. So even if I didn't use yEnc, I'd be leaving behind those who lacked that hardware and software. In addition to those who don't want to use yEnc. Perhaps I should just print my pictures and snailmail them out to all! Otherwise I'm "forcing" them to either buy a computer or be "left behind." This is a great idea! Should we send you our mailing addresses? The notion of "struggle" is also phony. As is any other opinion that is not in lockstep with yours. Downloading Agent and clicking "install" is hardly a struggle. For most, this is true. "Struggle" is what I did this morning after I installed a different firewall and found that I could not get Windows to load--that took some computer experience, time, and liberal use of profanity directed at Zone Alarm, Webroot, and Microsoft. Then perhaps you can appreciate those who struggle with lesser issues? There's no struggle in getting yEnc decoding at all--at least not the way I did it. Congratulations! As I've pointed out before, I knew very little about yEnc until the brouhaha on this group, Be honest - you brought the brouhaha to the group! and you don't need to understand it one bit to use it And you don't need a college degree to turn it off. --in fact, it is no more complicated than the UU encoding one person erroneously referred to as "basic." Of course that person's thoughts are erroneous. About the only thing that can be said for sticking with UU encoding only is that it was the way things had always been done. I am totally impatient with that attitude, and I expect that I always will be no matter how old I live to be. I like new things, I like progress. Can you really believe that this entire group should adapt to your impatience and attitudes? And the idea that such attitudes are the exception in older folks is just flat-out ageism. Don's claim would provoke laughter at our local senior center (which is fully computer-equipped). Gee, the senior centers here are fully equipped with giant checkers and dominoes. Where are these centers? Are they LAN wired in each room or are they wi-fi equipped? I'm giving Don the "straw man creation" prize. Thanks but I don't believe you are sanctioned to award prizes. I would offer you one but it appears you are your own best prize. Noise, why don't you just join this group on its own terms and try to enjoy the camaraderie? Who knows, you may make some valuable friends, including myself. I just refuse to stand and salute when you enter the room. gdp |
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:56:34 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
wrote: Good morning Bert-Jan, Concerns of those much like your dial-up constrained friend have always been accommodated by the regulars in this newsgroup. Every request for a re-post of a smaller version (or a larger version for that matter) of an original posting has been honored. It's only a matter of mutual respect. Thank you for your observations and comments. Don Oh, so they should be "forced" to settle for a smaller version just because someone can't use more efficient encoding (and that's what yEnc is)? (I think that's how you'd phrase it if you were on the yEnc side, Don--I'm just trying to do an imitation.) |
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:35:55 -0500, "Don Pyeatt"
wrote: I really regret that you don't understand what I was saying. Surely at your age (not too far from mine BTW), you have peers who struggle with computers. Are you advocating that we just leave them behind like the others are insisting we do? Just *how* are we leaving *anyone* behind? They can open it or not. No one is forcing anyone to change their computer, software, or news reader. If they feel that they are losing out on lots of pictures, great picture I might add, then they can get a decent news reader instead of Outlook Depressed, or down-load software that will allow them to read yenc. It is a no-brainer. I once had a miserable news reader. I couldn't see anything except jpg. Then, thankfully, that news reader stopped access to news groups and I was forced to find another. I chose Giganews and was amazed at what I was missing. Dave |
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