Unruly Passengers

SelwayKid wrote:

How would you handle a situation where a paying passenger began to
manhandle the controls?

Stick a pencil in his ear to get him to release the controls if he didnt
listen. Probably bop him in the nose to bring tears to his eyes if he
persisted

What would you do if a passenger keeps interrupting you during a
single pilot IFR approach into a very busy airport?

Ask nicely once to please be quiet as instructed in the preflight
breifing. Then quit asking nicely. THen switch the intercom to "pilot" only.

What would you do if your passengers lit up their marijuana in the
back of a twin?

Ask them if they brought enough for everyone. How did you handle it?

What would you do if the passenger was so big they kept getting in the
way of control travel?

Slide his seat all the way back, and not try to fly where I needed that
much control travel. Didnt you check freedom of control movement in your
pre-takeoff checklist? This shouldnt have been an airborne surprise.

What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?

Note the position very well, so they wouldnt have to wait two days for
the buzzards to circle to find the body, like they did down in Houston
last year. A former rocket scientist decided to try Skydiving sans chute
like that last year. He didnt have cancer like the 84 year old did, he
only was facing charges for stealing govt property.

These are all real and all have happened to me in my 45 years of
flying. A lot more that I can't think of at the moment.
A pilot was recently faced with it when an 84 year old man decided to
unstrap and get out of the front cockpit of a biplane and plunged to
his death. The pilot was unable to stop him.
What would you do?

What COULD you do?

Dave

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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My bad. Forgot to look at the date of this troll.

My solution to all the above problems would be to shoot the passenger. If
he
had drugs or cash, I would steal them.

Hmmm...the "Armed pilots" thread resurrected.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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My bad. Forgot to look at the date of this troll.

My solution to all the above problems would be to shoot the passenger. If
he
had drugs or cash, I would steal them.

Is that why the airline pilots want to carry guns? :~)

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.


It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

Agreed...vehemently. (Though the points made about falling hazards, etc.,
are quite legitimate. His life is his own, but go quietly into that long
good-night..)

SelwayKid wrote:

What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?

Dial up appropriate frequency for the airspace, and announce skydiver
exiting the aircraft.

"Buff5200" wrote in message
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SelwayKid wrote:

What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?

Dial up appropriate frequency for the airspace, and announce skydiver
exiting the aircraft.

You'll get violated for failing to post a skydiving NOTAM 30 minutes prior.

(SelwayKid) wrote in message om...
How would you handle a situation where a paying passenger began to
manhandle the controls?
What would you do if a passenger keeps interrupting you during a
single pilot IFR approach into a very busy airport?
What would you do if your passengers lit up their marijuana in the
back of a twin?
What would you do if the passenger was so big they kept getting in the
way of control travel?
What would you do if your passenger decided to get out of the airplane
while in flight?
These are all real and all have happened to me in my 45 years of
flying. A lot more that I can't think of at the moment.
A pilot was recently faced with it when an 84 year old man decided to
unstrap and get out of the front cockpit of a biplane and plunged to
his death. The pilot was unable to stop him.
What would you do?

Well Boys N Girls
What I did was.... the pax who tried to wrestle the controls from me
did get himself smacked with the fire X that I grabbed from behind the
seat. It dazed him enough that I was able to get the airplane on the
ground. I expected a fight from him but he just rubbed his head where
I hit him and kind of stupid asked me.."Why'd y'all do theyat?"
The pax who kept kibitzing during the IFR approach was the boss in the
rear facing seat directly behind me in a Merlin II. I finally told him
to shut up or I'd declare a missed approach, take it back up to
altitude and beat **** out of him and then quit. He shut up and didn't
speak to me for a week - because he was headed for Europe after I
dropped him off at LAX. When he got back he apologized to me for the
problem and said it would never happen again - and it didn't.
When my pax lit their joints on a charter from VNY to LAS, I began to
roll the airplane, a KA90, from side to side and kept increasing the
angle of bank. The guy who asked to sit in the right seat asked me
what in hell I was doing and I told him, "Man I just LUUUUUUVVVVV that
good ****...!" He screamed back to the rear pax to put out their
joints because the pilot was getting stoned!
The big guy pax was a former race pilot who had kind of slid forward
to get comfortable and we didn't notice it until I began to flare in
the Hiller UH12E helicopter behind another helicopter on the ground.
When I realized I was running out of cyclic, I did a go around. My pax
immediately recognized the problem and began pushing himself farther
back in the seat. We did a safe landing and had a good laugh over it.
An unruly pax who was a heavyweight customer of the corporation I flew
for had been into the bar in back pretty heavy. He came forward
demanding that I get him some more scotch. When I told him the bar was
closed he got nasty and said he'd get me fired, etc, etc, (yawn) and
headed back to get off the airplane at FL250. I immediately
depressurized the cabin and he barely made it to a seat before he
passed out into a blissful sleep. When I knew he was out I ran cabin
pressure back down but he stayed asleep the rest of the flight. My
boss thought that was the neatest trick he ever heard of and asked why
I didn't do the same thing to him when he got out of line!
The only pax who scared me was a woman who undid her seat belt in a
Hiller 12E to crawl across top of me and get in the seat away from the
open door because it ruffled her hair! That was a lesson I'll never
forget! She was an absolute crazy woman.
Selway Kid

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And he wouldn't cold-cock the guy trying to get out of the plane?
Steven is slipping.


It's his life, if he truly wants to end it that is his right.

Agreed...vehemently. (Though the points made about falling hazards, etc.,
are quite legitimate. His life is his own, but go quietly into that long
good-night..)

Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to themselves.
No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others. (Well, maybe Saddam Hussein could.)

People who wish to kill themselves rarely, perhaps never, stay that way for
long. Those who are stopped are invariably thankful that someone intervened.
A better approach is counseling and help with their problems. Suicide is
always dangerous to others. People are stuck with the chore of cleaning up
afterwards. Everyone has to pay the costs of medical care for botched
suicide attempts, which far outnumber successful suicides. Many would-be
suicides end up permanently disabled, adding a further burden to taxpayers
and insurance payers, often for decades.

Family members and friends are invariably traumatized by the event.
Marriages are broken up and children are raised without parents. The
children of suicides are far more likely to commit suicide themselves when
they get older. Their grades suffer and they become less productive as
adults. Fortunes are wasted on counseling. Many turn to drugs, with
corresponding effects on crime, society, and the economy.

Killing yourself does not make your problems go away. It just transfers them
to someone else. It may come as a shock to you, but most people think it is
better to deal with problems rather than run away from them. The vast
majority of people, even those with terrible, terminal diseases, manage to
get by from day to day and even do something productive. It is an insult to
these brave individuals to suggest that killing yourself might be a better
alternative.

Letting some guy who is drunk, disoriented, or distressed kill himself
'because it his right' is a gross disservice to both the individual and the
community around him.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.


In a free society one's life is their own.



No one can commit suicide without adversely affecting the lives of many
others.


Irrelevant.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. No one's life is their own, nor is anyone an island to
themselves.


In a free society one's life is their own.


That would only be true if killing yourself does not make everybody else
less free. Suicide impinges on the freedom of everyone else, who must now
support the suicide's family, educate his children, pay for his medical
bills, and possibly even support him for the rest of his life if he botches
the attempt and merely permanently disables himself. We also have to pay
higher insurance premiums, clean up mess, deal with reduced property values,
and suffer many other economic costs imposed on us by the suicide.

Suicide reduces freedom. It is worth noting that suicide rates are highest
in societies that have the least amount of freedom, as in imperial Rome and
feudal Japan. A society that tolerates or even encourages suicide is the
antithesis of free.