Trial by newspaper

"Charles Oppermann" writes:


In the Burbank overrun, the NTSB discovered that it was SWA policy not to
use the 737 Autobrakes, seemingly because of differences between different
737 models. Media reports today indicate that Autobrakes were set at
Maximum, apparently in contradiction of company policy. I don't know what
SWA policy was at the time of the crash however; maybe it changed after the
Burbank accident.


If what I read today was correct, "Autobrakes" is NOT antiskid/antilock.
Rather, it's "...when the squat switch says we're down, clamp 'em up NOW"
vice pilot-actuated braking.

And the SWA policy is to first use reverse-thrust. Why? Brake cooling
times and short turn-arounds. SWA is all about never ever letting
the aircraft sit still.
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Morgans wrote:

In that case, the kill-filed person does not show up in the thread headers
at all, and it almost looks like it is a response to someone earlier in the
thread.

Mozilla has the option of having the system mark the kill-filed posts as "read"
instead of deleting them. That way the headers will show up in the thread, but
the "next" button skips right past them. OE may have something similar.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Morgans wrote:

In my case, (with OE) it is unsure for me to determine who someone is
responding to, because I keep a hefty kill-file. I just do not want to
waste my time reading some nutcases.

What time? All the posts are listed in pretty much a chronological
order and you can clearly see who wrote them. If you don't want to read
posts from a certain person then don't click on that post. The fact
that you have a killfile with my name on it means I won.

"Newps" wrote

What time? All the posts are listed in pretty much a chronological
order and you can clearly see who wrote them. If you don't want to read
posts from a certain person then don't click on that post. The fact
that you have a killfile with my name on it means I won.

If you feel the need to say "you won", then there is a pretty good clue that
you are not mature enough to carry on a conversation, or not worthwhile, at
least. You have been in my killfile before, by the way.

I read the groups by hitting the "next unread" box, and if you are on the
list as not being read, then your post will open. I use a slow machine, and
I don't want to waste the time opening the post.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote

What time? All the posts are listed in pretty much a chronological
order and you can clearly see who wrote them. If you don't want to read
posts from a certain person then don't click on that post. The fact
that you have a killfile with my name on it means I won.


If you feel the need to say "you won", then there is a pretty good clue that
you are not mature enough to carry on a conversation, or not worthwhile, at
least. You have been in my killfile before, by the way.

Well put me back in there.



I read the groups by hitting the "next unread" box, and if you are on the
list as not being read, then your post will open. I use a slow machine, and
I don't want to waste the time opening the post.

I don't waste time either, although it is irrelavant to me with a cable
line. I only click on the posts I want to read and no killfile to maintain.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:59:05 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

On 12/14/2005 07:55, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in some
way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques

Andrew was responding to Paul, which is clearly visible when viewing
the thread. If you aren't using a news reader which supports viewing
threads, perhaps you should switch. There are lots of free ones that
do a fine job.

How patronizing! My newsreader supports threads, and this post does not
tell anyone what article was being replied to. Only by keeping the entire
thread "alive" in your newsreader might you be able to infer this. Most
people delete articles after reading them.

So, please do not be so quick to provide a snippy reply. It's just plain
rude!




"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.




--
Jay.
(remove dashes for legal email address)

Newps wrote:
The fact
that you have a killfile with my name on it means I won.

Oooookay. You won, over me also. But you don't want to know what title
is put on the filter. Nothing so grandiose as your name.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

I did not suggest that the victims parents should sue
SWA. However, for their peace of mind, they do deserve
an answer as to why this freak accident happened.

They will eventually get the best information the NTSB can give.
They will sue, because ultimately, and always, it comes down
to money. That's how we punish those who do not serve us well,
or at least those most accessible.

The injured families will get a small fraction, in recompense,
of the millions which have been saved by, for example: not adding
low minimums approaches to MDW's 13C which at least match those on
31C, in order to avoid compounding ORD traffic congestion; not using
the power of Eminent Domain, or at least the power of the Daley
machine to make of MDW what it should be, in the decades since DC-3's
and CV-580's; not spreading more of the air traffic burden to Gary,
or DuPage, or Rockford, or any of a number of other politically
inexpedient measures.

Those trapped by these rock-hard realities are not only the rare
crash victims and families, whose losses are immeasurable and not
truly compensable. The others, always in the middle from beginning
to end of every flight, are the airline cockpit crew members of whom
the business can require the wisdom of a Solomon, the deft touch of
a surgeon, and the clairvoyance of a Joan of Arc. To sort and select
from a menu of imperfect solutions and execute precisely in the midst
of a unique four-dimensional dynamic, also depends on the accuracy
and timeliness of information obtained from a mixture of human and
non-human sources outside of the airplane. An imperfection of focus
or judgment or accuracy on a snowy winter's night can sell a million
early editions the next morning.

Recent years have given Airline crews some fine new equipment with
which to work, and a fifty percent reduction in pay for doing that work;
a threat environment not seen here at home even during World War Two;
a massive loss of jobs, a loss of pay and benefits for active employees,
and a loss of pensions and benefits for our retirees who lack financial
alternatives. Stock holders have been left with little or nothing in
too many cases to list here. But, ignoring the effects of 9/11, that's
the way deregulation was supposed to work, and only the ultimate time
table was impossible to predict thirty years ago.

The next wave to wash over our industry will be that of Foreign
Ownership and Control. It's already gaining formal consideration in
our legislature. Will the Pound, Franc, Mark, Yen, or Riyal do more than
the dollar has done to create a safe and available and pleasant
air travel experience? Of course they will not, and the amount of
influence US citizens can exert to make needed improvements in Airline
safety and service can be expected to erode even further as the next
phase of change sweeps over our Airline industry.

If one wonders whether we are doing all we can do now, just wait until
the answers to questions such as those about the future of airports
like MDW lie not in the hands of politicians like Mayor Daley, but in
international agreements with governments bound to, and by, Saudi Kings,
Japanese Oligarchs, and the Communist Party of China.


Jack