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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Ponce wrote:
Colin Campbell wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:02:45 -0500, Vince wrote: Colin Campbell wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:52:26 -0500, Vince wrote: do you need another block of instruction on logistics? I got irelevant bull**** claims Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s. I call BS. If you had studied military logistics you would have noticed when me and red began making fun of you. I noticed and ignored you making a fool of yourself BS If you had noticed you would have not repeated the same comment we were laughing at you about. You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not understand. In fact every one of your posts did nothing but drive home the point that you do not have the first clue about logistics. more personal abuse from the persons with no facts We gave you lots of facts in the discussion. You were just to dumb to learn anything. more abuse without cites or facts or even quotes I served on PhD examining committees on Military logistics with Mancur Olsen, Author of "The economics of the Wartime shortage" your abuse simply confirms your ignorance Vince as your posts do yours...... redc1c4, those that can, do. you can't, so you "serve on a committee". %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Ponce wrote:
La N wrote: "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not understand. Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ... - nilita he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case is closed Vince IOW: "i'm wrong so i need a way to save face...." redc1c4, you're an immodest man, with much to be modest about. %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Peter Skelton wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:42:51 GMT, "La N" wrote: "Vince" wrote in message news La N wrote: "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not understand. Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ... - nilita he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case is closed Well, it has been an "interesting" debate between 2 people, each of whom has never been known to admit when they have been wrong ...%) That is not a fair accusation when aimed at Vince. Peter Skelton cite? redc1c4, who's seen Ponce be wrong many times, but who's never seen him admit it. -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote: Colin Campbell wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4 wrote: i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that? i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise. The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.' OFCS You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance "Class V" is a question of supply not logistics ROTFL! Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue. Do you really think that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of moving them are separate issues? "logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a Prussian one . Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job. Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one): The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort. supply, not logistics Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!): Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example: toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it tends to be a very low priority item. Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle. Besides - you have still not explained why we should take your uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that of the people who actually fly it and maintain it. For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:27:59 -0500, Vince wrote: I served on PhD examining committees on Military logistics with Mancur Olsen, Author of "The economics of the Wartime shortage" So? Your posts indicate that you have no understanding of how logistics are handled in the _real world_. If you had a clue you would not be providing so much entertainment for myself and red - who have had to do this for real. I'm sure you can amuse yourself with very simply toys Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:14:20 -0500, Vince wrote: I have often been wrong. I trusted George Bush that he would not pervert the intelligence community to take this nation to war. I was wrong So you were wrong about Clinton on this same issue also? No Clinton was wrong the same way She trusted Bush, to her dying shame It may cost her the election Vince |
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redc1c4 wrote:
Ponce wrote: La N wrote: "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... You said something dumb - then myself and red started making fun of you by - using standardized logistics terminology that you did not understand. Well, Vince, if nothing else, you can bust Colin on very bad grammar ... - nilita he does not know the difference between supply and logistics so the case is closed Vince IOW: "i'm wrong so i need a way to save face...." redc1c4, you're an immodest man, with much to be modest about. %-) keep demonstrating your ignorance Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
"Vince" wrote in message . .. Colin Campbell wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote: Colin Campbell wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4 wrote: i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that? i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise. The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.' OFCS You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance "Class V" is a question of supply not logistics ROTFL! Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue. Do you really think that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of moving them are separate issues? "logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a Prussian one . Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job. Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one): The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort. supply, not logistics Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!): Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example: toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it tends to be a very low priority item. Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle. Besides - you have still not explained why we should take your uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that of the people who actually fly it and maintain it. For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look it up myself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics "In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed force without resources and transportation is defenseless. "The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical geniuses." And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html "Logistics Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel." |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
"La N" wrote in message news:slsrj.19263$C61.5339@edtnps89... Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look it up myself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics "In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed force without resources and transportation is defenseless. "The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical geniuses." And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html "Logistics Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel." I sent this before finishing. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...o/supclass.htm Class V - Ammunition; Subclasses A - Air Delivery; W - Ground. - nilita |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
La N wrote:
"Vince" wrote in message . .. Colin Campbell wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:35 -0500, Vince wrote: Colin Campbell wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:28:54 -0800, redc1c4 wrote: i've yet to see you defend your claim that all ammunition resupply in Iraq is transported via air assets. care to cite the message ID where you did that? i certainly provided several definitive cites showing otherwise. The most amusing thing was that the claimed to know how ammunition is moved - but did not even catch on to the term 'Class V.' OFCS You are simply adding to the demonstration of ignorance "Class V" is a question of supply not logistics ROTFL! Thank you for demonstrating that you have no clue. Do you really think that 'classes of supply' and the logistics of moving them are separate issues? "logistics of moving them" simply indicates your total ignorance Logistics is logistics whether you are looking at a roman army or a Prussian one . Transport systems are a tiny fraction of the job. Here is a clue for you (now you can say you have one): The term 'priority of supply' is part of the logistics annex in an Operations Order. Each supply category is given a priority and the highest priorities are the focus of the logistics effort. supply, not logistics Logistics decides what supplies you can or should have Here is another clue for you (now you can claim to have _two_ clues!): Each class of supply has different movement priorities. For example: toilet paper (a Class II item) would not be moved by air because it tends to be a very low priority item. Class III and V are high cube and mass items that are typically moved on the ground. However - air movement is always planned for as a contingency because of its criticality in fighting a battle. Besides - you have still not explained why we should take your uninformed opinion as to the effectiveness of the aircraft over that of the people who actually fly it and maintain it. For the same reason we ignore horse cavalrymen battleship admirals and air force lunatics who thought B-17s could defend themselves I teach the evaluation of expertise and the problem of conflict of interest. Ipse Dixit just doesn't cut it Okay, since now I am interested in military logistics, I decided to look it up myself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistics "In military logistics, logistics officers manage how and when to move resources to the places they are needed. In military science, maintaining one's supply lines while disrupting those of the enemy is a crucial-some would say the most crucial-element of military strategy, since an armed force without resources and transportation is defenseless. "The defeat of the British in the American War of Independence, and the defeat of Erwin Rommel in World War II, have been largely attributed to logistical failure. The historical leaders Hannibal Barca, Alexander the Great and the Duke of Wellington are considered to have been logistical geniuses." And from: http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/logistics.html "Logistics Logistics are the area of military operations dealing with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel." right Buying the V-22 is a logistics decision What you fill it with on a given run is a supply decision Vince |
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