A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Ok, good 2-place for x-country



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 11th 04, 02:04 AM
Larry Johnson
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Ok, good 2-place for x-country

My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!
Ads
  #2  
Old October 11th 04, 02:59 AM
F.L. Whiteley
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!


Take out a second and get a PW-6 and trailer.

Frank Whiteley


  #3  
Old October 11th 04, 03:07 AM
Waduino
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Try a Peregrine (aka Krozno)
Search on Peregrine sailplanes or Barry aviation, assuming you're in the US.

Wad.

---


"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!



  #4  
Old October 11th 04, 06:11 AM
BTIZ
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I would recommend a Blanik L-23 or 13... but not that easy to assemble
and I've heard the factory is going kaput.. so their price/value may
decrease as parts become scarce..

not sure of the pricing of a PW6 or its assembly

BT

"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!



  #5  
Old October 11th 04, 06:28 AM
F.L. Whiteley
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

He mentioned something about 30+L/D. Two average-sized people can easily
rig/derig a PW-6.

However, I had a longish talk with Patty Barry this past week. I gather
owning the TC doesn't mean you have Manufacturing Certification. The very
good news is that hurdle should be passed soon and production can ramp up in
a couple of months or so. This hurricane season slowed them down a little
also. They did deliver one handiquipped version to FreedomsWings Canada
earlier this year. www.freedomswings.ca Picture Gallery

Hopefully the seat and leg room improvements they're incorporating will make
it more comfortable. I've never rigged/derigged one, so I can't speak to
that. I personally found the rear seat quite comfortable. Someone
mentioned to me last week that the Krosno front seat for him was quite
uncomfortable after a short while.

Frank Whiteley

"Waduino" wrote in message
news
Try a Peregrine (aka Krozno)
Search on Peregrine sailplanes or Barry aviation, assuming you're in the

US.

Wad.

---


"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!





  #6  
Old October 11th 04, 11:34 AM
Vaughn
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Waduino" wrote in message
news
Try a Peregrine (aka Krozno)
Search on Peregrine sailplanes or Barry aviation, assuming you're in the US.


Take your daughter to your local commercial operation or club and try some
serious flying with her before you invest thousands. I really cherish the time
I have spent flying with my own daughter, and I suggest that you do not let this
opportunity pass by. Serious flight instruction is another matter, I would
suggest any good GFIG who is not yourself. It is really difficult to teach your
own kids.

I have flown the Krosno for years and think that it is a truly wonderful
basic trainer, and a great club/commercial machine. It is one of the two
gliders that I would consider allowing a kid of mine to solo in. That said, I
would not call it an X-country trainer. It has an L/D of 27/1 (future
improvements planned) and is not particularly easy to rig/derig. After hundreds
of flights in both the front and back seats, I have found no particular comfort
issues and remember few complaints from others.

On the other hand, I am afraid that the trainer that Larry is asking for
(30+ L/D, no mortgage) does not exist. Perhaps a G 103 would come closest?

Vaughn






Wad.

---


"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!





  #7  
Old October 11th 04, 01:31 PM
Bert Willing
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

A Calif A21S might be worth a look. 41:1, side-by-side, all metal. Less
money than a G103.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Vaughn" a écrit dans le message de
news: ...

"Waduino" wrote in message
news
Try a Peregrine (aka Krozno)
Search on Peregrine sailplanes or Barry aviation, assuming you're in the
US.


Take your daughter to your local commercial operation or club and try
some
serious flying with her before you invest thousands. I really cherish the
time
I have spent flying with my own daughter, and I suggest that you do not
let this
opportunity pass by. Serious flight instruction is another matter, I
would
suggest any good GFIG who is not yourself. It is really difficult to
teach your
own kids.

I have flown the Krosno for years and think that it is a truly
wonderful
basic trainer, and a great club/commercial machine. It is one of the two
gliders that I would consider allowing a kid of mine to solo in. That
said, I
would not call it an X-country trainer. It has an L/D of 27/1 (future
improvements planned) and is not particularly easy to rig/derig. After
hundreds
of flights in both the front and back seats, I have found no particular
comfort
issues and remember few complaints from others.

On the other hand, I am afraid that the trainer that Larry is asking
for
(30+ L/D, no mortgage) does not exist. Perhaps a G 103 would come
closest?

Vaughn






Wad.

---


"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!







  #8  
Old October 11th 04, 05:57 PM
Jacek Kobiesa
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

(Larry Johnson) wrote in message . com...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!


PW-6U is I think the best 2 place machine you can buy. It will cost
with the trailer (Avionics Trailer made also in Poland) about $50,000.
L/D 34, it is very easy to assemble/disassemble. The visibilty is good
from both cockpits.
Do not buy the Peregrine...this glider was built by PZL Krosno under
the name of "Puchatek". I flown the very first prototype built ever
with late January Roman who was the chief test pilot for SZD Bielsko,
where most of the test flights were done. This thing will not
penetrate...it has very week floor...it is not built anymore...the
company went bankrupt...what else. Oh...it is just not good of a
glider. And also there are Blaniks, kind of difficult to
assemble/disassemble, or DG 1000 or Duo Discus for about
$200,000...so, I think that the PW-6U is still the best buy and desent
glider...if you want some info on it contact Charles Yeates...his info
is on SSA web site under CLASSIFIED/ TWO PLACE SAILPLANE FOR SALE. I
also think that Charles will be selling his factory demonstrator and
he might cut you a pretty good deal...
  #9  
Old October 11th 04, 07:14 PM
For Example John Smith
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

There was a Janus A for sale in Soaring for what looked like a reasonable
price.

"Larry Johnson" wrote in message
om...
My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!

Larry in Avenal. Home of the Raven!



  #10  
Old October 11th 04, 07:25 PM
André Somers
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Larry Johnson wrote:

My daughter has the bug bad and really wants to fly with me. I find it
great. Now what are some of the 2-place that have around 30+l/d and
still allow for purchase without a mortage? Pros and cons with
handling in the air and ground greatly appreciated! Spring is almost
here!


I'm not familiar with the second hand market in the states, so this might
not be an option on your side of the world. However, I think a Grob Twin
Astir is a good option as a relatively good yet affordable x-country ship
for private use. A Blanik is great fun, but if you land out you have a
problem as it's hard to rig and derig. A Puchacz (SZD 50-3) is also a fine
ship, but less suitable for x-country than a Twin I think.

André
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cubans: Good years and bad? [email protected] Owning 1 October 23rd 04 07:53 PM
US cross country flight S Narayan Instrument Flight Rules 0 January 7th 04 02:58 PM
whats a good place to find fly-in schedules w b evans Home Built 7 December 23rd 03 04:45 PM
How I got to Oshkosh (long) Doug Owning 2 August 18th 03 12:05 AM
God Honest Naval Aviation 2 July 24th 03 04:45 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2018 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.