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History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)



 
 
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Old July 16th 07, 09:28 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
David E. Powell
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

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Old July 16th 07, 10:49 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

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Old July 17th 07, 03:08 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Gordon[_2_]
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 16, 2:49 pm, Walt wrote:
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt


I think the CGI is actually improving as the series goes along, too.
I just wish they wouldn't repeat the same CGI footage 6-7 times in the
same episode.

I really enjoy the show, and its great to see some old friends
participating. The good Doctor (Fritz M.) was one of the participants
of our 2000 reunion for Kommando Welter in Schliessheim. He looked
great on the show!

"Do you mind if I come? My old unit doesn't have reunions - we just
catch a cab."

v/r
Gordon

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Old July 17th 07, 04:08 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jonathan
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)


"David E. Powell" wrote in message
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Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
guns

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Old July 17th 07, 05:28 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
tomcervo
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 16, 5:49?pm, Walt wrote:
The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......


True, and it's US-centric, which excludes a lot of good stories--some
you've named. The first ever ep feature one of Rickenbacker's fights,
so they will go outside that limit.

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Old July 17th 07, 07:58 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Ray O'Hara[_2_]
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)


"Walt" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt


i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.


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Old July 17th 07, 09:42 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Gordon[_2_]
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message

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On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......


But the show generally has been very good.


Walt


i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.

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Old July 17th 07, 12:56 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Bob McKellar[_2_]
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)


"Jonathan" wrote in message
.. .

"David E. Powell" wrote in message
oups.com...
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
guns

Even better, she's STILL floating!

http://www.patriotspoint.org/exhibits/fleet/laffey.html

It's a little spooky to stand on the same deck where all that happened.

Bob McKellar


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Old July 17th 07, 09:37 PM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Mike Piacente
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

Yeah, I saw the same show on the Military Channel on the B-17.

Advice to everyone: DON'T take any of these shows on weapons or battles as
fact. History Channel ran a series called 'Hell's Battlefields' and one
episode I saw was on the Battle of Kursk and it was loaded with errors.
Since it was on about 3 years ago, I've forgotten most of the errors but two
I still remember: while talking about the T-34/76, the film was showing the
T-34/85 which didn't become operational until about 9-10 months AFTER Kursk;
and the narration said Hitler called off the Zitadelle because the Allies
had invaded Sicily on July 10, 1944. NOTICE the date -- ONE YEAR and one
day AFTER the actual invasion. I sent the History Channel an e-mail and
pointed out all the errors and, surprisingly, the show's producer called me.
I told him about the T-34 error and he said "well, most people wouldn't
notice things like that," so I said "If you ran a program about automobiles
and your narration was talking about Cadillacs and the film showed Pintos,
would that be OK?" He said 'No.' Then I told him about the invasion of
Sicily date being off by a year and a day and he wanted to know how I could
possibly know that date. I told him I've been a military historian for 40
years and read him excerpts from three books about the invasion date and
gave him the titles, authors, and publication dates and asked if he'd like
more sources. He declined and said that particular error would be fixed. I
watched the show again the next two times it was on and the error was still
in there.

The media doesn't care about accuracy, they're there to entertain.



"Ray O'Hara" wrote in message
...

"Walt" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt


i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.




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Old July 18th 07, 10:48 AM posted to sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Walt[_3_]
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Default History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

On Jul 16, 11:08?pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"David E. Powell" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.


I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
guns'


Seems like Hornet had radar guided guns in 1942.

Walt


 




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