I removed myself from an airline flight - long

I believe the thought is that you might have left some device on the plane.
I would not be surprised if, while they let you off the plane, they also
make others get off and then inspect the cabin.


.... and maybe fix the cargo latch.

Jose

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Who gives a rat's ass what the bus driver thinks? You are a paying customer, not his servant!

You make your decision and you live with the consequences... The fact that nothing happened on that flight (I assume) is neither here nor there... If it had ripped that door off and had to emergency land, and people slide down the chutes and break limbs, would you now be worrying about what someone's hired help thinks of you?

As far as the pilot saying he didn't need to inspect the mechanics work, if the door had departed in flight you can bet he would have been singing a different song to the DOT, as they took his certificate for failing to inspect...

The FAA/DOT and the Federal Courts are on the same play book on that one - "You, the pilot, are 100% responsible if you were aware there was a question of airworthiness (and sometimes even if there is not a question)... Yes, we may also get mechanic, but you, the pilot, will be the first up to the steps to the gallows..."

Denny

"Maule Driver" wrote in message .com...
This happened in Houston years ago - maybe 6 or 7. Curious about what any airline people think of this.

"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote in message
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If nothing was wrong, why did you get off the plane?

He already explained that. In fact, that's what his initial post was about.
Did you read it? He left the airplane on a "hunch".

And there is nothing wrong with yelling fire in a crowded theater, if it's
on fire.

What if you simply think that the theater might catch fire at some later
moment. Is it okay to yell "fire" in the crowded theater then?

100 people died in a Rhode Island nightclub last year because people
waited
too long to"yell "FIRE"".

Your assertion is that someone should have yelled "fire" before the club
actually caught fire? Or are you claiming that the fire was allowed to
progress for some significant time before it occurred to anyone to say
anything about it?

Regardless, that case (and others like it) had much more to do with
violations of safety rules than it did with the actual fire. And, I
seriously doubt that once an actual fire was present, anyone sat around
wondering whether they should say something about it.

The whole point here is that the original poster did not KNOW anything. And
in fact, seeing as how the flight proceeded uneventfully, it could even be
argued that his "hunch" was wrong. It would have been irrepsonsible at
best, and criminally disruptive at worst for him to make a general
announcement to the other passengers that he believed something to be wrong
with the airplane. There was absolutely no actual evidence to that effect.

Get off the guy's back. You might be willing to go around making
pronouncements regarding things you know absolutely nothing about, but that
doesn't mean that's reasonable behavior, nor that you have the right to
criticize someone else for not doing so.

Pete

In article , Maule
Driver wrote:

"Tom Fleischman"
In article , Paul Rekieta
, "Maule Driver"
Well, they were as nice as could be about it and didn't even let a
patronizing
smirk out but I was totally spooked and said that I was going to get
off the
plane. I explained that it shouldn't be a problem since I only had a
carry
on bag and well, I was just going to stay behind

I bet you couldn¹t do this in today¹s terrorist environment.

Couldn't do what? Get off the airplane? That's preposterous, what are
you suggesting they would do? Not let you off? Handcuff you to your
seat?

Please.
Well I'm sure one could get off but I think there might be other
consequences. If a specific procedure is lacking I'm sure the pilot would
attempt to evaluate the request and the person making it and then determine
whether more security actions would be required. Might be a much different
situation for passengers with the same request but different appearances.

Well yeah, sure, I'm sure that there would be security concerns raised
in the minds of the crew and the Thousands Standing Around, but if they
don't find anything, even in your name were Mustafah, then the
situation would be about the same as what you experienced, it would
just take a lot longer to be on your way.

It certainly would not be a case of "you couldn't do this in today's
environment".

Peter Duniho ) wrote:

Get off the guy's back. You might be willing to go around making
pronouncements regarding things you know absolutely nothing about, but that
doesn't mean that's reasonable behavior, nor that you have the right to
criticize someone else for not doing so.

Peter, take a look at "Nomen's" posting history on Google. It appears we
may have a professional troll here.

Don't feel bad. Earlier today I was snagged in the Student newsgroup...

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Might be a much different
situation for passengers with the same request but different appearances.

Its a sad fact that in today's environment doing this would have severe
consequences. To call for a search because the passenger who wants off is
wearing a turban or has the name Mustafah will get you a discrimination
lawsuit. It has happened to my company already. This is why you see babies and
little old ladies called out for secondary searches at the gate and seldom
folks who may be from the middle east. I hope the liberals sleep tight tonight.

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Peter, take a look at "Nomen's" posting history on Google. It appears we
may have a professional troll here.

Ahh...thanks for the warning. I can usually detect the amateur trolls
pretty easily, but the pros are better at fooling us.

In article ,
"Maule Driver" wrote:

This happened in Houston years ago - maybe 6 or 7. Curious about what any
airline people think of this.

I used to spend a big part of my life on commercial aircraft when I
lived in the middle east.

Once I was waiting to fly from London to Jeddah when a Saudi asked me if
I would carry some luggage for him. I refused and watched him walk along
the line of passengers until someone agreed. It was one of those
situations where I was uneasy but couldn't decide whether or not to
pursue it (this was a looong time before people started worrying about
terrorists)

So the plane is taxiing to the runway and I unfasten my seatbelt, walk
over to the nearest cabin attendant and told her what happened.

Back to the ramp, unloaded and I have to crouch behind a bunch of
sandbags with the police, trying to identify which box it was.
We eventually find it and blow it up - it was toys!


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Night
Almost Instrument
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:26:05 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Peter, take a look at "Nomen's" posting history on Google. It appears we
may have a professional troll here.

Ahh...thanks for the warning. I can usually detect the amateur trolls
pretty easily, but the pros are better at fooling us.


Nomen Nescio is the cognomen assigned to anonymous authors by the
usenet posting gateway.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:26:05 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Peter, take a look at "Nomen's" posting history on Google. It appears we
may have a professional troll here.

Ahh...thanks for the warning. I can usually detect the amateur trolls
pretty easily, but the pros are better at fooling us.


Nomen Nescio is the cognomen assigned to anonymous authors by the
usenet posting gateway.

So they're actually a *collective* of professional trolls.

I see...


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