2 civilian airliners down south of Moscow

From: "AbsolutelyCertain"
Date: 8/27/2004 1:15 AM Central Daylight Time
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:52:02 GMT, 4moreyears
wrote:

Two Russian jetliners crashed within close proximity 6 minutes apart?
There was reports one plane sent a signal being hijacked via
aircraft's transponder 'squack ident' whatever and witnesses saw the
planes exploded before it hit the ground.

My experience with airplanes I'm kind of speculate something Russian
authorities not telling. One plane reportedly intercepted by Russian
military fighters. What did the jet fighters do? Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

That *looks* like English, but...

It might be Texan.

Moronics?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 8/26/2004 10:44 PM Central Daylight Time
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From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 8/26/2004 2:24 PM Central Daylight Time
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From: "Vaughn"
Date: 8/26/2004 5:20 AM Central Daylight Time
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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It would be *very* tricky to fuel just 2 a/c - and no others - with
contaminated fuel.

One inadvertantly (or purposly) contaminated fuel truck could
manage
that
trick quite well. But I think we would know by now.

Vaughn

Assuming a truck on the scale of an R-5 and full fuel loads on both
aircraft it
is not likely both aircraft would be able to be refueled from the same
truck.
Of course it depends on initial fule levels in both aircraft

And the odds that both aircraft would then crash at about the same time,
even though one had been in the air quite a bit longer and covered a lot
more distance away from the departure point? The fuel bit has been a
long-shot from the get-go when you consider that fact, along with the
transponder signal reported to have been received from one aircraft. If
the
latest reports indicating that no out-of-the-ordinary conversations were
heard on the CVR's proves to be true, then you can nail the coffin door
shut
on "bad fuel".

Brooks


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

There is absolutely no reason the crashes could be purely coincidental.

I assume you meant to put a "not" in
there after "could".

I did, thanks for pointing it out.


The
odds of that being the case are extremely long however.

The odds of it being a fuel problem are even more remote.

Brooks


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:15:37 -0700, "AbsolutelyCertain"
wrote:


"Phil Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:52:02 GMT, 4moreyears
wrote:

Two Russian jetliners crashed within close proximity 6 minutes apart?
There was reports one plane sent a signal being hijacked via
aircraft's transponder 'squack ident' whatever and witnesses saw the
planes exploded before it hit the ground.

My experience with airplanes I'm kind of speculate something Russian
authorities not telling. One plane reportedly intercepted by Russian
military fighters. What did the jet fighters do? Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

That *looks* like English, but...

It might be Texan.

Does it parse any better if it is Texan?


Phil
--
Pfft...English! Who needs that? I'm never going to England.
Homer J. Simpson

Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

The witnesses to the crash of one of the aircraft heard three booms, then a
falling airliner. Given the Russian government's penchant for avoiding the
truth in such events, I am surprised no one has yet suggested a US submarine
caused the tragedy.


From: 4moreyears

Ok, now you are just trying to scare us.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

That *looks* like English, but...

It might be Texan.

Hey hey hey now. It might be from the Crawford area, but the rest of the
Republic isn't known for such classic blunders, such as getting into a land war
in Asia.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

From: nt (Krztalizer)
Date: 8/27/2004 2:19 AM Central Daylight Time
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Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

The witnesses to the crash of one of the aircraft heard three booms, then a
falling airliner. Given the Russian government's penchant for avoiding the
truth in such events, I am surprised no one has yet suggested a US submarine
caused the tragedy.


From: 4moreyears

Ok, now you are just trying to scare us.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR


Dammit, Gordon, U.S.N. flying subs are still top secret. I'm reporting you to
the rules board of the Marblehead Yacht Club.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[I note that Gordon - probably wisely - trimmed a.d.a from the NGs]

Krztalizer wrote:
4moreyears wrote:

Fearing it might be a Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt
Turpolev jetliner. Well, somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the
'squack ident' from the hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown
the wrong plane. Then they downed the hijacked plane.

AAMOF (and ignoring all those typos), that is the first suggestion I
have seen to provide a specific cause for the "external interference"
(or some such) that I saw mentioned in one news report.

Of course, a simpler explanation for "external interference" would
simply be that someone apart from a duly authorised member of the
airline's staff did something untoward.

The witnesses to the crash of one of the aircraft heard three booms,
then a falling airliner. Given the Russian government's penchant
for avoiding the truth in such events, I am surprised no one has yet
suggested a US submarine caused the tragedy.

Well, since the Royal Navy can attack Afghanistan by submarine ...

In article ,
Phil Miller wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:15:37 -0700, "AbsolutelyCertain"
wrote:


"Phil Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:52:02 GMT, 4moreyears
wrote:

Two Russian jetliners crashed within close proximity 6 minutes apart?
There was reports one plane sent a signal being hijacked via
aircraft's transponder 'squack ident' whatever and witnesses saw the
planes exploded before it hit the ground.

My experience with airplanes I'm kind of speculate something Russian
authorities not telling. One plane reportedly intercepted by Russian
military fighters. What did the jet fighters do? Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

That *looks* like English, but...

It might be Texan.

Does it parse any better if it is Texan?

Worse, if anything.

In article ,
nt (Krztalizer) wrote:


That *looks* like English, but...

It might be Texan.

Hey hey hey now. It might be from the Crawford area, but the rest of the
Republic isn't known for such classic blunders, such as getting into a land
war in Asia.

Just getting deeper into an existing one? (Where, exactly, was LBJ from?)

nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ...
Fearing it might be a
Russian 9/11 copy cat, they shotdown the firt Turpolev jetliner. Well,
somehow the Russian ATC radar showing the 'squack ident' from the
hijacked plane. Russian jetfighters shotdown the wrong plane. Then
they downed the hijacked plane.

The witnesses to the crash of one of the aircraft heard three booms, then a
falling airliner. Given the Russian government's penchant for avoiding the
truth in such events, I am surprised no one has yet suggested a US submarine
caused the tragedy.


From: 4moreyears

Ok, now you are just trying to scare us.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

Geez, is the loon population gone into a decline. It took what? 30
posts before the first one showed up. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say.

Harry K