Knee Jerks

RST Engineering wrote:
The NTSB (which galls me to this day) laid the cause of the accident to
"improper maintenance". Yet the magneto overhaul times and bulletin times
were complied with to the letter and spirit of the mag company. The plugs
had less than 25 hours since cleaning. THe failure mode (open coil)
couldn't have been detected even with a full-bore overhaul, much less the
service bulletin inspections.


The idiots at the NTSB concluded I was too fast when I crashed and totalled a
Piper Lance, estimating I was doing a cool 130 knots when I hit. I must be the
toughest man alive, because I wasn't wearing a shoulder strap. Didn't break any
ribs either.

The engine out approach was flown at 90 mph; I told them that. No telling how
much slower I was when I lost the wing but there's no way in hell I was anywhere
near the speed they concluded.

I sometimes wonder if they mix up the reports in a big stack on the desk when
they write their conclusions.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

On 17 Feb 2006 10:30:12 -0800, wrote in
.com::

Don't recall the dates..1990's..a crop duster pilot in a Grumman Ag
Cat, Palouse area of SE Washington state was returning to base and got
overun by some Navy jets on low level training. He was RUN OVER FROM
THE REAR and the Navy tried to blame him for the accident. When fault
is being discovered, it seems those with the best legal minds are going
to prevail regardless of what happened. OJ Simpson anyone...?


Would that have been this MAC?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...11X12242&key=1
NTSB Identification: SEA93FA094A.
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 50895.
14 CFR Armed Forces
Accident occurred Wednesday, April 14, 1993 in STEPTOE, WA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 3/18/1994
Aircraft: GRUMMAN A6E, registration: USN
Injuries: 2 Serious, 1 Minor.
THE A6E WAS TRACKING 033 DEG LEVEL AT 200 FT AGL AT 468 KTS VFR IN
PUBLISHED ROUTE VR-1354. THE AGCAT WAS TRACKING 334 DEG LEVEL AT
200 FT AGL AT 96 KTS VFR ACROSS THE ROUTE TO HIS DESTINATION SPRAY
FIELD. THE TWO AIRCRAFT CONVERGED ON A 59 DEG COLLISION ANGLE WITH
A CLOSURE SPEED OF 429 KTS. THE A6E NOTIFIED FSS THAT HE WAS
ENTERING THE ROUTE LATE AND PROJECTED EXITING 8 MINUTES AFTER THE
PUBLISHED CLOSURE OF THE ROUTE. THE AGCAT PILOT REPORTED HE WAS
UNAWARE OF ANY INFORMATION/PUBLICATIONS REGARDING THE OPERATION OF
MILITARY AIRCRAFT IN THE AREA. THE LOCAL FSS WAS IN THE HABIT OF
REPORTING THE ROUTE 'HOT' 24 HRS A DAY RATHER THAN THE PRECISE
SCHEDULE. THE CONVERGENCE ANGLE OF THE A6E WAS 111 DEG (8 O'CLOCK
POSITION & BEHIND THE AGCAT'S LEFT WING). THE CONVERGENCE ANGLE OF
THE AGCAT WAS 10 DEG. AT THE PROJECTED CLOSURE SPEED THE AGCAT
WOULD HAVE SUBTENDED AN ANGLE OF 0.2 DEG 8.6 SECS BEFORE IMPACT;
THE A6E 19.2 SECS.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:

THE INHERENT LIMITATIONS OF THE SEE-AND-AVOID CONCEPT OF
SEPARATION OF AIRCRAFT OPERATING UNDER VISUAL FLIGHT RULES THAT
PRECLUDED THE CREW OF THE A6E AND THE PILOT OF THE AGCAT FROM
RECOGNIZING A COLLISION HAZARD AND TAKING ACTIONS TO AVOID A
MIDAIR COLLISION

It would appear that the NTSB investigator got that part of the
probable cause right, but why is there no mention of FAR § 91.113
(f):

(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the
right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter
course to the right to pass well clear.


I don't know if a Class 1 medical certificate is required to PIC an
A6E, but given:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?...3FA094A&rpt=fa
Date of Last Medical Exam: 08/1992
Medical Cert.: Valid Medical--no waivers/lim. Class 1
Occurrence Date: 04/14/1993

It would appear that the A6E pilot's Class 1 medical certificate was
two months out of date.

On 17 Feb 2006 10:52:04 -0800, wrote in
. com::

To be sure, in ag operations the vast majority of pilots fly
"cocked and locked" for an immediate response to an emergency
or malfunction.


And then, there are those who aren't able to reach the four mile
distant work-site before winning a Darwin Award:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X08016&key=1
NTSB Identification: SEA97LA099 .
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS).
14 CFR Part 137: Agricultural
Accident occurred Monday, May 05, 1997 in ROSALIA, WA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/28/2000 1800 local time
Aircraft: Grumman G-164A, registration: N7926
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
The pilot-in-command departed the airport in a Grumman G-164A
spray plane. En route to the destination field, and while
overflying hilly terrain, the aircraft's tail wheel impacted the
ground, followed by the main gear. The aircraft continued over an
embankment, nosing over while crossing a paved road, before coming
to rest and burning. There was no evidence that the pilot
jettisoned the 2,040 pound herbicide load. Propeller slash marks
early in the ground track indicated high engine RPM at the initial
ground impact. Additionally, toxicological evaluation of samples
from the pilot-in-command revealed 0.002 ug/ml of
Tetrahydrocannabinol detected in blood, 0.08 ug/ml of
Tetrahydrocannabinol Carboxylic Acid detected in blood, and 0.035
ug/ml of Tetrahydrocannabinol Carboxylic Acid detected in urine
indicating fairly recent (within several hours) use of Marihuana.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The pilot-in-command's failure to maintain clearance with terrain.
Factors contributing to the accident were, hilly terrain
conditions and impairment due to recent use of marihuana.

Full narrative available:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?...97LA099&rpt=fa

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:57:33 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
1tkIf.798152$xm3.724032@attbi_s21::


Across society, manners have become uncommon.


It starts at the top:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun24.html
"**** yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the
presidency.



Let me see ... Cheney swears, Clinton has extramarital sex in the White
House. Yes, it really is hard to see a good example at the top isn't it?


Matt

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
ET wrote:
How many pilots who read about a few guys with dry tanks who bought it,
might be a bit more likely to divert for fuel rather than "push it"....
just one example....


You want a fuel rule that will serve you well your entire flying career? "If
you have to worry about fuel, you don't have enough".


Here is another one from Selwaykid; Fuel gages always lie until they get below 1/4. At that point they are cause for concern.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:26:29 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote in ::

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:57:33 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
1tkIf.798152$xm3.724032@attbi_s21::


Across society, manners have become uncommon.


It starts at the top:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun24.html
"**** yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the
presidency.



Let me see ... Cheney swears,

Cheney's senatorial blaspheme epitomizes the ethos of the Executive
branch. He defends torture and warrantless domestic invasion of
privacy.

Clinton has extramarital sex in the White House.

http://www.youth4him.com/articles/te...d_oral_sex.htm
Here's what one a 15-year-old girl from Wisconsin told USA Today's
Karen Peterson about oral sex: "Children from grades as early as
sixth or seventh who hang from the top rung of the popularity
ladder brag about activities such as these. The consensus in my
high school is that oral sex makes girls popular, whereas
intercourse would make them outcasts. The mentality is that oral
sex is as far as you can go without maintaining any level of
emotional attachment. It's something that happens at a party, is
whispered about between friends and forgotten about the next week.
Intercourse is, for some people, a huge leap from oral sex.
Intercourse is something that is carefully thought through."
(11/16/00).

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/...time/kirn.html
Though it's nowhere in sacred Scripture, the
oral-sex-isn't-really-sex distinction does have some secular
modern precedents. According to Black's Law Dictionary, oral sex
is not, technically, adultery (though in certain states it's
sodomy, a felony). What's more, reports Debbie Then, a California
social psychologist, it's common among professional American males
to view oral sex as a kind of moral freebie. Sexual folklore backs
up this attitude. In general, female prostitutes charge less for
fellatio than for intercourse. And teenage girls who have given
oral sex but haven't yet been vaginally penetrated tend to go on
regarding themselves as virgins.


Yes, it really is hard to see a good example at the top isn't it?

http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/
Sex scandals have resulted in the resignations of 19 Roman
Catholic prelates worldwide since 1990.

And what does this DNC diatribe have to do with aircraft accidents?

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:26:29 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote in ::


Larry Dighera wrote:

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:57:33 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
1tkIf.798152$xm3.724032@attbi_s21::



Across society, manners have become uncommon.


It starts at the top:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun24.html
"**** yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the
presidency.



Let me see ... Cheney swears,


Cheney's senatorial blaspheme epitomizes the ethos of the Executive
branch. He defends torture and warrantless domestic invasion of
privacy.


Clinton has extramarital sex in the White House.


http://www.youth4him.com/articles/te...d_oral_sex.htm
Here's what one a 15-year-old girl from Wisconsin told USA Today's
Karen Peterson about oral sex: "Children from grades as early as
sixth or seventh who hang from the top rung of the popularity
ladder brag about activities such as these. The consensus in my
high school is that oral sex makes girls popular, whereas
intercourse would make them outcasts. The mentality is that oral
sex is as far as you can go without maintaining any level of
emotional attachment. It's something that happens at a party, is
whispered about between friends and forgotten about the next week.
Intercourse is, for some people, a huge leap from oral sex.
Intercourse is something that is carefully thought through."
(11/16/00).

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/...time/kirn.html
Though it's nowhere in sacred Scripture, the
oral-sex-isn't-really-sex distinction does have some secular
modern precedents. According to Black's Law Dictionary, oral sex
is not, technically, adultery (though in certain states it's
sodomy, a felony). What's more, reports Debbie Then, a California
social psychologist, it's common among professional American males
to view oral sex as a kind of moral freebie. Sexual folklore backs
up this attitude. In general, female prostitutes charge less for
fellatio than for intercourse. And teenage girls who have given
oral sex but haven't yet been vaginally penetrated tend to go on
regarding themselves as virgins.

You Dems are all alike. You overlook or rationalize gross negligence
and misconduct and have hissy fits over a swear word. No wonder you
can't win the big elections. You need to learn what really matters and
what is trivial. Hint: illicit sex in the White House is worse than
swearing.

Matt

RST Engineering wrote:

Matt, you have a good head and can convey rational thoughts with your posts,
but dammit man, either top post or learn to snip.

Jim



You Dems are all alike. You overlook or rationalize gross negligence and
misconduct and have hissy fits over a swear word. No wonder you can't win
the big elections. You need to learn what really matters and what is
trivial. Hint: illicit sex in the White House is worse than swearing.

Matt




Jim,

I'll never top post as that is against almost all published netiquette
and isn't logical in societies that read left to right and top to bottom.

I generally do snip posts, but in this case it wasn't all that long and
I didn't take the time as it didn't seem necessary.

Matt

Across society, manners have become uncommon.

It starts at the top:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun24.html
"**** yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the
presidency.

Since when is any level of government the "top" of our society?

Closer to the bottom, methinks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"