Israel pays the price for buying only Boeing (and not Airbus)

Blair Maynard wrote in message . ..
On 30 Jun 2003 14:54:44 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

Exactly what "price" are you talking about?


What would the benefits of being included in the Airbus 380 project
have been and would they have outweighed the costs?



According to understandings between IAI and Airbus, IAI was supposed
to manufacture parts of the Airbus 380 in Israel. We're talking about
revenues of at least 50% from the cost of the Airbus planes El Al
intended to purchase. It was profitable for El Al, for IAI and for
Airbus.

Then the state department and the government of Israel interfered (El
Al was a governmental company till few weeks ago), and El Al bought
only Boeing 777's.
More details you can find he
http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Fleets/LY777.html

It's important to note that I posted this post only for Brooks.

I don't care to pay a bit more when it comes to friends. America is a
friend and the hypocrite European terrorist-supporters are not. So, I
don't have a problem with the Boeing deal.

But its unpleasant to hear _all day_ people like Brooks who is
obsessed _morning to night_ to slam Israel on every opportunity he has
in r.a.m, especially on the subject of the US aid to Israel. Recently
I posted a post about the "Python 5" (Rafael just presented it on the
Paris Air Show). Not surprisingly, "the obsessed" jumped and asked
"when it will be sold to China"? Even though he knows that even the
"Python 4" wasn't sold to China because we don't sell cutting-edge
technology to anyone. There's an understanding between US and Israel
on this subject, the same understanding that guarantees that Israel
will have better F-15's/F-16's than Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Friendship is a two way street.

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On 1 Jul 2003 15:34:02 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.


Israeli defense contractors will be (very happy).
Friendship between US and Israel is a two way street.

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Tarver Engineering nous disait :

Israeli pilots were making jokes about nuking Paris not so many
weeks ago. I think AI has made an enemy.

If they have nukes, it's much thanks to France ...

If the US and France have nukes, it's thanks to the Jews. The atomic
bomb is a Jewish invention.

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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).

Sure it can happen, when the US stops selling the Arab states surrounding
Israel, and still technically at war with Israel, three times as much US
arms in dollar terms that sells it to Israel. The MAIN reason why Israel
gets $3B in aid annually is so that US defense contactors can sell Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Jordan $5 billion in arms annually without
opposition from AIPAC, or increased Israel arms sales to China and other
states we'd rather they not sell their own advanced technologies to.
It IS quid pro quo, and not just based on sentiments.

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On 1 Jul 2003 15:34:02 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
wrote:

(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.

Please. Take a gander at what portion of US defense exports go to
Israel; the last figures I found (covering 97-99) indicated that
Israel accounted for just over 5% of total US sales. Given that even
*without* US aid money the IDF is going to *have* to continue to shop
in the US for parts, components, etc., your predictions of defense
contractors storming the government appear to be significantly
exaggerated. And imagine the potential of increased sales to Arab
nations should the US cease its economic and military underpinning of
Israel...

Brooks

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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.


Israeli defense contractors will be (very happy).
Friendship between US and Israel is a two way street.

Yep. We give the Israelis beaucoup bucks, and they turn around and
sell their most advanced military products to the PRC while
simultaneously engaging in espionage activities here in the US. One
hell of a two way street you got there.

Brooks

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This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy
only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want (and one wonders how much of the
antagonism was also due to European dissatisfaction with the actions
of the Israeli government over the past few years...?).

Israeli pilots were making jokes about nuking Paris not so many weeks
ago.
I think AI has made an enemy.


France has been an enemy of Israel since the 1970s when the French
government sold Israel to the Arabs for a few litres of oil (paid good
(Mirages, ships, etc.) not delivered, orders suddenly cancelled, etc.).
Israel discovered decades ago that Europeans cannot be trusted, and the US
can (or at least is more trustworthy than Europe) so they deal with the US
not Europe.

It was centuries ago and the Arabs are not the first to kill Jewish
children.

The fact that Germany is also a partner in Airbus only makes the choice
not
to go with Airbus even easier.

Those who believe Jews run the world should understand that AI has stepped
on their dick.

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On 1 Jul 2003 15:34:02 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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(Quant) wrote in message
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This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380
project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy
only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out
on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro
quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.


Israeli defense contractors will be (very happy).
Friendship between US and Israel is a two way street.

Yes, America will not hate Israel, like "old Europe".

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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
wrote:

(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).

Sure it can happen, when the US stops selling the Arab states surrounding
Israel, and still technically at war with Israel, three times as much US
arms in dollar terms that sells it to Israel.


But which the largest part of is paid for by US taxpayers; odd idea w
the concept of "selling" stuff to Israel, IMO.

The MAIN reason why Israel
gets $3B in aid annually is so that US defense contactors can sell Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Jordan $5 billion in arms annually without
opposition from AIPAC, or increased Israel arms sales to China and other
states we'd rather they not sell their own advanced technologies to.
It IS quid pro quo, and not just based on sentiments.

Come now. We were providing extensive monetary aid to Israel before we
started selling major/modern arms to the neighboring Arabs. From what
I can recall, israel held out quite firmly for a significant aid
increase and additional one-time funds (i.e., paying for new airbases
to replace those lost when they gave up the Sinai) before they would
agree to sign the peace treaty with Egypt (Carter being oh-so-willing
to pay that tribute in return for his moment of glory).

Brooks

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On 1 Jul 2003 15:34:02 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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(Quant) wrote in message . com...
This post is specially for brooks.

Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.


Israeli defense contractors will be (very happy).
Friendship between US and Israel is a two way street.

Yep. We give the Israelis beaucoup bucks, and they turn around and
sell their most advanced military products to the PRC while
simultaneously engaging in espionage activities here in the US. One
hell of a two way street you got there.

Brooks



Brooks knows the facts but he doesn't let them to confuse him.


1. The money America "give" is subsidizing the American industries and
hurting the Israeli industries.
2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
and in many cases in quality. Instead of whining, develop your own
better weapons and you don't have to worry that somebody else has
better technology than yours.