German-Wings Copilot "one of us"?

At 22:27 29 March 2015, wrote:
Please don't equate religion with depression. Religion is about faith
before action and focused on better life despite pain and suffering.
Faith
is about moving forward despite pain. I'm an optimist because of faith

Religion and depression have many similarities. Both have elements of
altered response to reality, both can lead to actions which have no basis
in logic, both can lead to harm being caused to others.
The big difference is that nobody wants depression, it is forced on them.
People with depression do not want it and most would do anything to get rid
of it. Religion on the other hand is a choice, which makes it a far worse
disease and is far more dangerous to man.
Who in their right mind would believe in a God who allowed this tragedy to
happen, what kind of capricious, mean minded, stupid God would see anything
good in this. Religion encourages fanatics and the world would be better
off without them and Him.

At 22:27 29 March 2015, wrote:
Please don't equate religion with depression. Religion is about faith
before action and focused on better life despite pain and suffering.
Faith
is about moving forward despite pain. I'm an optimist because of faith

Religion and depression have many similarities. Both have elements of
altered response to reality, both can lead to actions which have no basis
in logic, both can lead to harm being caused to others.
The big difference is that nobody wants depression, it is forced on them.
People with depression do not want it and most would do anything to get rid
of it. Religion on the other hand is a choice, which makes it a far worse
disease and is far more dangerous to man.
Who in their right mind would believe in a God who allowed this tragedy to
happen, what kind of capricious, mean minded, stupid God would see anything
good in this. Religion encourages fanatics and the world would be better
off without them and Him.

At 09:59 30 March 2015, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 22:27 29 March 2015, wrote:
Please don't equate religion with depression. Religion is about faith
before action and focused on better life despite pain and suffering
Faith
is about moving forward despite pain. I'm an optimist because of faith

Religion and depression have many similarities. Both have elements o
altered response to reality, both can lead to actions which have no basi
in logic, both can lead to harm being caused to others.
The big difference is that nobody wants depression, it is forced on them
People with depression do not want it and most would do anything to get
ri
of it. Religion on the other hand is a choice, which makes it a far wors
disease and is far more dangerous to man.
Who in their right mind would believe in a God who allowed this tragedy t
happen, what kind of capricious, mean minded, stupid God would see
anythin
good in this. Religion encourages fanatics and the world would be bette
off without them and Him.



I find myself agreeing with Don !!

However, if you accept the concept that dogs think of there owners as gods

,what do fighting dogs (pit bulls etc) think of there owners ?

The whole Germanwings thing is a tradgedy and not to be taken lightly ,I am

not sure if we can legislate to prevent a repeat but looking out for your
friends and colleagues and don't be shy of saying something if you think
there is a problem is probably the best way.

On the UK uras site there is a posting from a guy who was grounded because

of bi-polar 10 years ago ,at the time he was quite bitter and made some
postings reflecting that.He now sees how dangerous he was and has posted
thanking those that stopped him.
The benefit of hind site is only available if your still there to look
back

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 10:59:18 PM UTC-4, wrote:
A high tech solution might just introduce new unanticipated threats into the system. One positive low tech step in the right direction is to eliminate the ability of a pilot to disable the keypad from unlocking the door.

As far as the 1,500 hour rule, that will certainly put pressure on the airlines to increase starting pay. However, these pay increases probably won't be enough to compensate for the increase training costs that the rule imposes on new pilots. The end result may well be that new pilots will tend to come from well off families who can pay the training. Other kids, who really have a passion and above average aptitude for flying will be further blocked from the profession. While the new pilots may have more hours, the actual airmanship skill level might significantly decrease. More unintended consequences that no one bothered to think thru.

If the pilot is unable to lock out the door, then how do you keep the bad guys out of the cockpit? Remember, the who purpose of the "lock-out" capability is to defend against the terrorist who knows the "secret" code to open the door when it is locked. The "secret code" is different than the code that is used to go in or out.

Since 9/11 the threat has changed. There hasn't been a successful Hijacking yet (except by pilots). Every attempt has been blocked by an immediate response by the crew and passengers to subdue to bad guy(s). The need for secure cockpit doors has passed.

At 12:48 30 March 2015, Mike Schumann wrote:

Since 9/11 the threat has changed. There hasn't been a successful
Hijackin=
g yet (except by pilots). Every attempt has been blocked by an immediate
r=
esponse by the crew and passengers to subdue to bad guy(s). The need for
s=
ecure cockpit doors has passed.

No it has not. Unauthorised access to the flight deck is still the greater
threat, still is potentially more harmful and more likely than any of the
other problems which occur in flight. The current incident is rare, very
rare as is a mechanical failure or mistake by the flight crew resulting in
a crash. The only reason there are fewer hi-jackings is that it has been
made too difficult.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:30:05 AM UTC+13, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 12:48 30 March 2015, Mike Schumann wrote:

Since 9/11 the threat has changed. There hasn't been a successful
Hijackin=
g yet (except by pilots). Every attempt has been blocked by an immediate
r=
esponse by the crew and passengers to subdue to bad guy(s). The need for
s=
ecure cockpit doors has passed.

No it has not. Unauthorised access to the flight deck is still the greater
threat, still is potentially more harmful and more likely than any of the
other problems which occur in flight. The current incident is rare, very
rare as is a mechanical failure or mistake by the flight crew resulting in
a crash. The only reason there are fewer hi-jackings is that it has been
made too difficult.

I agree with Mike Schumann. Passengers will never again allow hijackers to take over and kill them. The armoured cockpit door is unnecessary.

Worse than that, it is harmful.

There have been half a dozen crashes in the last 15 years cause by pilots going rogue. Just a year ago there was (most likely) MH370.

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:51:26 -0700, Bruce Hoult wrote:

There have been half a dozen crashes in the last 15 years cause by
pilots going rogue. Just a year ago there was (most likely) MH370.

I can only think of one very probable (German Wings[*]) and one possible
(MH370). Can you give references for the rest?
[*] AFAIK the only evidence so far is from the cockpit voice recorder,
reporting that nothing was said inside the cockpit during the descent or
that terrain proximity warnings were triggered. So at present, I'm not
inclined to accept that as more than very probable cause until data from
the hardware monitoring black box(es) confirm intentional control use and/
or that the terrain proximity warning was disarmed. One report had words
to the effect that 'the autopilot was reset from 38,000 ft to 100 ft' but
I've not seen anything to show this is anything but some reporter's
imagination.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

At 16:47 30 March 2015, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 07:51:26 -0700, Bruce Hoult wrote:

There have been half a dozen crashes in the last 15 years cause by
pilots going rogue. Just a year ago there was (most likely) MH370.

I can only think of one very probable (German Wings[*]) and one possible
(MH370). Can you give references for the rest?

[*] AFAIK the only evidence so far is from the cockpit voice recorder,
reporting that nothing was said inside the cockpit during the descent or
that terrain proximity warnings were triggered. So at present, I'm not
inclined to accept that as more than very probable cause until data from
the hardware monitoring black box(es) confirm intentional control use
and/
or that the terrain proximity warning was disarmed. One report had words
to the effect that 'the autopilot was reset from 38,000 ft to 100 ft' but

I've not seen anything to show this is anything but some reporter's
imagination.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Martin,
Have a look at the flightradar 24 forum,
http://forum.flightradar24.com/threa...lysed-the-raw-
data-from-the-transponder-of-4U9525-and-found-some-more-data
They detail how this was found and have also released the raw data so
anyone can check it.
Ben.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:30:05 AM UTC-4, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 12:48 30 March 2015, Mike Schumann wrote:

Since 9/11 the threat has changed. There hasn't been a successful
Hijackin=
g yet (except by pilots). Every attempt has been blocked by an immediate
r=
esponse by the crew and passengers to subdue to bad guy(s). The need for
s=
ecure cockpit doors has passed.

No it has not. Unauthorised access to the flight deck is still the greater
threat, still is potentially more harmful and more likely than any of the
other problems which occur in flight. The current incident is rare, very
rare as is a mechanical failure or mistake by the flight crew resulting in
a crash. The only reason there are fewer hi-jackings is that it has been
made too difficult.

There have been 3 fatal airline accidents in the last 17 months that appear to be the result of pilot suicides. How many hijackings have there been?

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:45:05 AM UTC-4, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 22:27 29 March 2015, wrote:
Please don't equate religion with depression. Religion is about faith
before action and focused on better life despite pain and suffering.
Faith
is about moving forward despite pain. I'm an optimist because of faith

Religion and depression have many similarities. Both have elements of
altered response to reality, both can lead to actions which have no basis
in logic, both can lead to harm being caused to others.
The big difference is that nobody wants depression, it is forced on them.
People with depression do not want it and most would do anything to get rid
of it. Religion on the other hand is a choice, which makes it a far worse
disease and is far more dangerous to man.
Who in their right mind would believe in a God who allowed this tragedy to
happen, what kind of capricious, mean minded, stupid God would see anything
good in this. Religion encourages fanatics and the world would be better
off without them and Him.

WELP... that's enough of the internet for me today...