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Complex / High Performance / Low Performance
Good day all,
After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. Rob T |
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"R.T." brt5ATexeculink.com wrote in message
... Good day all, After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. AIUI, a "complex" aircraft is one with a constant speed prop. A "high performance" aircraft is one with 200HP or more. HTH. |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:23:48 -0400, "R.T." brt5ATexeculink.com wrote:
Good day all, After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. Rob T A "complex" airplane is an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller. A high-performance airplane is an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower. So, for example, a Piper Arrow, or an older Mooney like mine, with a 200 hp engine, is complex but NOT high performance. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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Complex: retractable gear, movable flaps, and constant speed prop (all 3)
High performance: greater than 200 horsepower (200 HP or less is not high performance) |
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A complex (land) plane has to have retractable gear AND flaps AND a constant
speed prop. If any one is missing then its not a complex plane. So a 172RG would NOT be a complex plane because it has a fixed pitch prop. A fixed gear 182 would be high performance but would NOT be complex because it doesn't have retractable gear. Here is the FAR: Sec. 61.31 : (e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller), : (f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), : -Brenor "R.T." brt5ATexeculink.com wrote in message ... Good day all, After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. Rob T |
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Tom Sixkiller wrote: AIUI, a "complex" aircraft is one with a constant speed prop. And retractable gear. And flaps. George Patterson None of us is as dumb as all of us. |
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I was thinking the C172RG I used to fly had a controllable prop... mmmm
yep... sure enough.. here's the old UND check list complete with Prop cycles on the before takeoff checks.. and MP/RPM for cruise settings.. I can't find the reference, but it might have been 180HP.. so it would be Complex, but not High Performance.. C 172RG, Cutlass.. it was a sweet flying Skyhawk.. did not cruise like a standard gear dragger.. BT "Brenor Brophy" wrote in message m... A complex (land) plane has to have retractable gear AND flaps AND a constant speed prop. If any one is missing then its not a complex plane. So a 172RG would NOT be a complex plane because it has a fixed pitch prop. A fixed gear 182 would be high performance but would NOT be complex because it doesn't have retractable gear. Here is the FAR: Sec. 61.31 : (e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller), : (f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), : -Brenor "R.T." brt5ATexeculink.com wrote in message ... Good day all, After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. Rob T |
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Actually it has to have 201 hp or more... 200 is not high perf.
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "R.T." brt5ATexeculink.com wrote in message ... Good day all, After reading some older posts with regards to aircraft purchasing allot of discussion seems to come up about Complex and High Performance aircraft. My question is this? Is a 172 RG classified as a Complex aircraft? and a 182 fixed gear classified as a non-complex High Performance? For my needs a decent payload is going to be important, so I am considering purchasing a 182 or possibly a Cherokee 6 (which would suit me even better). Any opinions on either of these aircraft good or bad would be appreciated. AIUI, a "complex" aircraft is one with a constant speed prop. A "high performance" aircraft is one with 200HP or more. HTH. |
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R.T.,
while you've gotten the answers you sought, one more thought: Why is this important? Getting the appropriate endorsements is trivial if you intend to own either a complex or a high-performance aircraft. Even if you don't, your piloting abilities would benefit from getting the endorsements in any case. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Brenor Brophy wrote:
: (f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), What does the training for the HP endorsement usually consist of? |
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