Some bad controllers

"Jeff" wrote in message
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ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me.

no matter how you dice it, that should not have happened. Phoenix does not
get much IMC, its
sunny about 350 days a year there.

Those 15 cloudy days we have allocated each year must have been used up this
past two weeks. Rained four days of the past week and a half and crappy
overcast most of the rest of the time.

Friday was 57, Saturday was 62, Sunday was 82 and we're supposed to hit 90
today.

Jeff-

Perhaps the other aircraft was VFR? If it was, the controller is under
no obligation to separate you. Their job is to separate IFR from IFR
aircraft, and on a "time available" basis separate IFR from VFR, and
VFR from VFR. To me it sounds like the controller did everything
right, and you did (most) everything wrong.

I urge you to look back on Jeff's posts... everytime it is a problem
that he encountered that was SOMEONE ELSES fault. The guy can clearly
do no wrong.

Doug

Jeff wrote in message ...
ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me.

"Doug Rinks" wrote in message
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Perhaps the other aircraft was VFR? If it was, the controller is under
no obligation to separate you. Their job is to separate IFR from IFR
aircraft, and on a "time available" basis separate IFR from VFR, and
VFR from VFR. To me it sounds like the controller did everything
right, and you did (most) everything wrong.


In Class B airspace the controller must separate IFR from VFR and VFR from
VFR, and "time available" has nothing to do with it.

if he was VFR he was in the wrong place.
perhaps he was VFR and just decided to exit the area on his own which is a possibility.

what was it I did wrong again? I dont recall and do not recall you sitting next to me with a
note pad?

Doug Rinks wrote:

Jeff-

Perhaps the other aircraft was VFR? If it was, the controller is under
no obligation to separate you. Their job is to separate IFR from IFR
aircraft, and on a "time available" basis separate IFR from VFR, and
VFR from VFR. To me it sounds like the controller did everything
right, and you did (most) everything wrong.

I urge you to look back on Jeff's posts... everytime it is a problem
that he encountered that was SOMEONE ELSES fault. The guy can clearly
do no wrong.

Doug

Jeff wrote in message ...
ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me.

Not exactly.. Phoenix gets monsoons nearly every night during the
summer. That surely counts as IMC.

Doug

Jeff wrote in message ...
ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me.

no matter how you dice it, that should not have happened. Phoenix does not get much IMC, its
sunny about 350 days a year there.

but its high clouds for the most part, you dont get the clouds covering the mountains like you had
this last week or so.

Doug Rinks wrote:

Not exactly.. Phoenix gets monsoons nearly every night during the
summer. That surely counts as IMC.

Doug

Jeff wrote in message ...
ya he was so busy he almost let someone fly into me.

no matter how you dice it, that should not have happened. Phoenix does not get much IMC, its
sunny about 350 days a year there.

Jeff wrote:

but its high clouds for the most part, you dont get the clouds covering the mountains like you had
this last week or so.

Oh, please excuse me, as an airline pilot who operated into PHX at all times during the year for 27
years.

Well, it depends what your definition of "high clouds" is. When a
monsoon hits Phoenix during the summer (6 or 7 nights a week, ALL of
summer) the ceiling usually gets down to between 700 feet and 1000
feet. I consider that fairly low, and it will most definitely cover
most mountains in the Phoenix area.

Doug

Jeff wrote in message ...
but its high clouds for the most part, you dont get the clouds covering the mountains like you had
this last week or so.

"Snowbird" wrote in message
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Jeff, with regard to "no one was talking except me". Be aware
that a controller can be handling 2 or even 3 frequencies, and
also depending upon how his airspace is set up he may need to be
doing a lot of coordination by phone.

So he might not be talking to anyone else on your freq, but he
still could be busier than a 1 armed paper hanger.


If he's got aircraft on other frequencies you'll hear his transmissions to
those other aircraft on your frequency, you just won't hear the other
aircraft.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"Snowbird" wrote in message
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Jeff, with regard to "no one was talking except me". Be aware
that a controller can be handling 2 or even 3 frequencies, and
also depending upon how his airspace is set up he may need to be
doing a lot of coordination by phone.

So he might not be talking to anyone else on your freq, but he
still could be busier than a 1 armed paper hanger.

If he's got aircraft on other frequencies you'll hear his transmissions to
those other aircraft on your frequency, you just won't hear the other
aircraft.

Is that always true? I know I hear this pattern sometimes, but I thought
it wasn't necessarily true.

In any event, if he's spending time on the 'phone coordinating, we
won't hear that.

Cheers,
Sydney