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Don't believe you have much of a case for CO 2 poisoning. It is CO that is
the poison!!!


--
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
"Malcolm" wrote in message
ups.com...
Age, along with fitness, are two of a number of factors in CO2
poisoining. Older you get, the less tolerance you have, all other
things being equal. It has to do with the body's ability to handle low
O2 conditions.

-Malcolm Teas

Wouldn't it be helpful for civilian towers to do that?

I had a civilian tower say "check wheels down" to me last Saturday.
This was only my second XC to a towered airport, so I had no idea what
they said. I asked my instructor and he told me, so I got a good
chuckle out of it since our gear was (hopefully) fixed - I looked out
the window to make sure it was still there... But, considering a
previous instructor of mine became my ex-instructor after a belly
landing, I guess a little reminder never hurt...

"Cy Galley" wrote in message
news:e%LDf.523226$084.293730@attbi_s22...

Don't believe you have much of a case for CO 2 poisoning. It is CO that is
the poison!!!

Apparently you never saw Apollo 13.

--
Jeff Shirton (2 Cor. 2:17) jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Don't believe you have much of a case for CO 2 poisoning.
It is CO that is the poison!!!

Apparently you never saw Apollo 13.

I think what he's trying to imply is that CO poisons, CO2 simply
displaces breathable air.

Carbon monoxide is poisonous.
Carbon dioxide is poisonous.

Indeed, the distinction you are trying to make doesn't apply,
since CO "simply displaces breathable air" in hemoglobin.

Both can eventually kill you, but in different ways.

Yes, by *poisoning* you.

--
Jeff Shirton (2 Cor. 2:17) jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

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"Montblack" wrote in message ...

Western Pacific Region:
Traffic call to avoid collision.


Montblack

Sounds like they had their head in the cockpit in VFR conditions - reminiscent of the PSA collision in San Diego...

"Jeff Shirton" wrote in message
...
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...

Don't believe you have much of a case for CO 2 poisoning.
It is CO that is the poison!!!

Apparently you never saw Apollo 13.

I think what he's trying to imply is that CO poisons, CO2 simply
displaces breathable air.

Carbon monoxide is poisonous.
Carbon dioxide is poisonous.

Indeed, the distinction you are trying to make doesn't apply,
since CO "simply displaces breathable air" in hemoglobin.

Both can eventually kill you, but in different ways.

Yes, by *poisoning* you.

be your definition, water is poisonous.

want to re-think your statement?

didn't think so

"Tater Schuld" wrote in message
...

Both can eventually kill you, but in different ways.

Yes, by *poisoning* you.

be your definition, water is poisonous.

First of all, it's not my definition.

Second of all, *anything* is poisonous (by definition), if consumed
in high enough quantities.

For instance, that common poison called "arsenic" is found in your
body right now. It's a poison to be sure, but it simply isn't present
in toxic amounts.

want to re-think your statement?

Of course not.
Why would I want to do that?

If you don't believe me, simply do a Google search of
"carbon dioxide" "poison", and see for yourself, or go to
your local library, if you don't believe me.

didn't think so

I suggest that you might want to watch your attitude.

Like I said, you can either believe me or not, you can
either discover the facts for yourself, or not.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it any less true.

Have a nice day.

--
Jeff Shirton (2 Cor. 2:17) jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

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T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:

..... An excess of CO2 will not kill you.

Actually, Todd, that's not true. At Sea Level, even if the O2 content
stays at the standard 20%, an excess of CO2 can be harmful and/or fatal.
The ambient CO2 level is 0.03%. Anything under 1.5% will be pretty much
un-noticeable, but as you get above 3% - 5%, headaches, nausea, and
other symptoms will start. IIRC, as you start getting above 9-10%, you
get into fatal levels. This is all with 20% O2 levels.

NASA has published some interesting studies (got the refs at work, not
here at home) regarding CO2 levels.

.... An absence of oxygen will kill you, but that's
not the fault of the CO2.

No, but an excess of CO2 will do the same.

.... OTOH, CO *will* kill you , even
if everything else you need to sustain life is there.

Also true.

--
Marc J. Zeitlin
http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright (c) 2006

Cool... l listened to all four or five of them. Thanks for the link.

The Monk

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:11:54 GMT, "Cy Galley"
wrote:

Don't believe you have much of a case for CO 2 poisoning. It is CO that is
the poison!!!

Oh I don't know... How about in the bottom of a hole? One of the
things we check for is CO2 along with N2, neither of which are
considered poisonous and both can kill. I doubt either could be
considered a problem in an airplane with all the leaks. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com