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RPG-Man MPEG Launcher Footage -Closer Examination-Interesting
http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg
There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming a rocket launcher at ??? and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do. Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at this guy were fired from behind. The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him. Here is how I came to that conclusion... I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage, so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want to) From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the guy literally never knew what hit him. As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots unfold. But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot) But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head) Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right) never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the ground that it never touches him. All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the tracer goes from right to left in the frame. The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber, or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc. Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears that he was shot from the front. ---- Interesting note: He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the person in the foreground wearing red. Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy, he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same "tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray markings. Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us about those markings. One last thing: I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for the media or something equally as sinister. McNeil http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg |
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You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right
where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! ) McNeil wrote: http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming a rocket launcher at ??? and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do. Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at this guy were fired from behind. The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him. Here is how I came to that conclusion... I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage, so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want to) From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the guy literally never knew what hit him. As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots unfold. But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot) But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head) Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right) never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the ground that it never touches him. All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the tracer goes from right to left in the frame. The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber, or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc. Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears that he was shot from the front. ---- Interesting note: He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the person in the foreground wearing red. Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy, he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same "tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray markings. Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us about those markings. One last thing: I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for the media or something equally as sinister. McNeil http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg |
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"McNeil" wrote http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming a rocket launcher at ??? and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do. Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at this guy were fired from behind. The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him. Here is how I came to that conclusion... I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage, so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want to) Only if you watched in reverse. With a better video editor that allows better frame by frame, you can clearly see the rounds coming from the left. He is hit at least 3 times Lower abdomen (This exits downward out the back, to the right of the frame) Head (exits downward, to the right. Impacts the ground very near a missed round, slightly closer to the camera) Just below the neck, with a tracer round (Exits upward, again to the right) Even at normal speed, you can see the tracers coming from the left. Pete |
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I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for the media or something equally as sinister. McNeil http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg Sounded to me like they were saying Allah Akbar just before he got hit.. Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India |
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Mark and Kim Smith wrote in message ...
You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! ) That's otay pankee! (Buckwheat) McNeil wrote: http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming a rocket launcher at ??? and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do. Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at this guy were fired from behind. The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him. Here is how I came to that conclusion... I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage, so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want to) From the time that the shooting begins, until the shooting stops with the guy laying dead on the ground is only about 5-6 seconds-tops-and quite a lot happens. In fact, the action is so fast and intense, the guy literally never knew what hit him. As you space through the sequence, you can begin to see how the shots unfold. But, by stopping the footage in "mid frame" so to speak, I started noticing that there was a "streak" coming from about a thirty degree angle from behind, hitting the ground just in back of him, and ricocheting up, and hitting (wounding) him in the lower left side of the back. (If it was a .223, he might have lived from this shot) But, spacing through farther, You can see the second shot (again from an angle of about thirty degrees, and behind him (and probably from the same gun) hits the ground several feet behind him and ricocheting up to hit him right behind the left ear, blowing the back side of his head open. (listening carefully to the audio, you deer hunters will also recognize the distinctive "thwack" of a bullet hitting flesh, as the ricocheted bullet hits him in the left side of the head) Milliseconds AFTER the second shot ricochets up to hit him, the tracer round ricochets off the ground (from behind him, and to his right) never touching him. By stopping and starting the sequence in mid frame, you can tell by the sound of the tracer ricocheting off the ground that it never touches him. All of the shots, including the tracer round, appear to be fired from behind and above him (downwards) The disappearing light trail of the tracer goes from right to left in the frame. The light trail from the tracer "appears" to be from a slightly different angle, and the sound that the weapon that fired that round sounds different, possibly farther away, possibly a different caliber, or possibly the round retort was muffled by buildings, etc. Unless you stop/start the sequence, mid frame by mid frame, it appears that he was shot from the front. ---- Interesting note: He seems to be completely unaware of the (hidden) person standing in front of him, and to his right, and even with a high resolution cad monitor, the resolution is so grainy, that I cannot determine if that guy is a soldier, or??? or armed??? This (hidden) person emerges after the dead guy hits the dirt, and appears to be holding something in his hand. (possibly a weapon) Obviously this guy is not threat to the person in the foreground wearing red. Also, if the armed guy standing next to the camera man is his enemy, he is not taking a defensive position. I don't know enough about the local culture to tell if the guy (foreground, armed) is of the same "tribe" he is wearing red markings and the dead guy is wearing gray markings. Possibly someone that is familiar with local culture can enlighten us about those markings. One last thing: I do not know the history of this footage, or what this person was aiming at, or even if this guy is really our enemy. But, it seems strange (at least to me) that there is a "cheering" section in the audio portion of this footage. This could have been a staged event for the media or something equally as sinister. McNeil http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg |
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On 24 Jun 2004 19:49:50 -0700, McNeil wrote:
That's otay pankee! (Buckwheat) Have you seen the video of Buckwheat getting shot?... -- -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "McNeil" wrote http://w3.kill-9.com/rpg-man.mpg There is an mpeg file circulating around the net, showing a guy aiming a rocket launcher at ??? and I was curious if anybody else sees the same things that I do. Contrary to popular opinion, I believe all shots that were fired at this guy were fired from behind. The first several times that I viewed the footage, I thought the same thing, that the shots were fired from in front of him. Here is how I came to that conclusion... I saved the file to my hard drive, and opened it in Windows Media Player. I then used the "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times. (in the interest of time, a "period" resets the footage, so that you don't have to watch the entire sequence if you don't want to) Only if you watched in reverse. With a better video editor that allows better frame by frame, you can clearly see the rounds coming from the left. He is hit at least 3 times Lower abdomen (This exits downward out the back, to the right of the frame) Head (exits downward, to the right. Impacts the ground very near a missed round, slightly closer to the camera) Just below the neck, with a tracer round (Exits upward, again to the right) Even at normal speed, you can see the tracers coming from the left. Man, what are you doing?! You are *ruining* a perfectly good conspiracy plot still in its infancy with *facts*? Didn't you note the guys "staged event or something equally sinister" closing? NEXT you'll be telling us that TWA 800 just accidently blew up due to a fuel tank explosion, or something similarly requiring common sense... :-) Brooks Pete |
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Only if you watched in reverse.
With a better video editor I'm curious, what "better" video editor are you using? I would like to see this for myself, Doc |
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You can plainly see that the shot came from the grassy knoll. Right
where the hobo was running from. ( Sorry, couldn't resist! ) Back..and to the left....back and to the left BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"door gunner" wrote in message om... Only if you watched in reverse. With a better video editor I'm curious, what "better" video editor are you using? I would like to see this for myself, Doc Anything that allows frame by frame editing, vs merely " "space" bar (rapidly) to stop/start the action many times" The editor that came with my Dazzle USB video encoder, MovieStar (not great, but it works) AIST MovieDV Suite Adobe Premier 5.1 (after conversion to uncompressed .avi) PaintShopPro 6 Animation Studio (this extracts out to individual frames) VideoLan Media player (this allows very, very slow motion) All show exactly the same effects in the video clip. Pete |
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