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Old November 19th 18, 09:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I've built 4 of the Stratux devices. I use it with an iPad Mini, but only in an airplane. I have no problem with the screen, but I'm sure that would change with the unshaded glider cockpit.
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Old November 19th 18, 09:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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So here is a question (perhaps several). I have a lx-9000 and power flarm, and adsb out as well. With the flarm, I can see 1090es adsb targets. it is my understanding that I am blind to UAT targets. It looks like there was work being done to output Stratux in flarm format that would allow (with some kind of Mux) to add UAT to my LX-9000 display. Does anyone know if this is currently posable? It seems like it would be a nice addition...
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Old November 19th 18, 10:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 12:45:40 PM UTC-8, RR wrote:
So here is a question (perhaps several). I have a lx-9000 and power flarm, and adsb out as well. With the flarm, I can see 1090es adsb targets. it is my understanding that I am blind to UAT targets. It looks like there was work being done to output Stratux in flarm format that would allow (with some kind of Mux) to add UAT to my LX-9000 display. Does anyone know if this is currently posable? It seems like it would be a nice addition...


You are blind to UAT direct, UAT via ADS-R and TIS-B (transponder only via SSR.. but you can get some warning of those targets via PCAS).

There have been multiple different people playing around with stuff, be careful what you are lookin at, why not provide a link to what you are asking about? e.g. folks outputting FLARM targets on Stratus via GDL90 protocol won't help you one bit getting to a display that needs FLARM serial data (and a FLARM serial mux won't help there).

Today if you want UAT In traffic get a Stratux or any similar dual-link ADS-B receiver and display that on a separate display, like an iPad/iPhone running Foreflight, or another GA oriented portable ADS-B traffic display system. You will also get the benefit of UAT based FIS-B weather and TFR data, if that's of interest to you. There is no way to display FIS-B data on any glider flight computer/traffic display.... for many pilots I suspect that's more compelling reason to get a separate system like Foreflight than the UAT traffic (well I'm being asked about that a little more than UAT traffic).

Future FLARM receivers like the PowerMouse should at least decode ADS-R and TIS-B data over 1090ES link layer and make that available on displays like your LX-9000.

"I have ADS-B Out" is not very helpful to state... remember "ADS-B" is a fluffy marketing term. Do you have 2020 Complaint/SIL=3 1090ES Out? TABS/SIL=1? Something you rolled yourself/SIL=0???
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Old November 19th 18, 10:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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What I was looking at was found here, but seems to be abandoned for now. https://github.com/cyoung/stratux/issues/489

It describes outputting the adsb traffic found on the stratux as Power flarm nema strings. If that can pump those into the 9000, then I can get an audio warning of traffic. Also, all traffic can show up in one place. I was considering another display for weather, but that is an occasional need, not persistent. I think I could do that painlessly on my phone over wifi when I wanted to see if I could get around a T-cell.

and yes, my adsb out is 2020 compliant.

Rick
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Old November 19th 18, 10:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:26:51 PM UTC-8, RR wrote:
What I was looking at was found here, but seems to be abandoned for now. https://github.com/cyoung/stratux/issues/489

It describes outputting the adsb traffic found on the stratux as Power flarm nema strings. If that can pump those into the 9000, then I can get an audio warning of traffic. Also, all traffic can show up in one place. I was considering another display for weather, but that is an occasional need, not persistent. I think I could do that painlessly on my phone over wifi when I wanted to see if I could get around a T-cell.

and yes, my adsb out is 2020 compliant.

Rick


Andy Blackburn was in involved in that one (against my better advice/pessimism). He is in that thread you linked to. You could ask him where this is at, and details about USA ADS-B interoperability etc., if he does not pop up here to reply.

But I'd not get too excited. Getting an ADS-B traffic target at all and then having actual FLARM like warning behaviors from it consistent with how FLARM would actually handle that same ADS-B target, let alone a FLARM target, are two different things. And then how do targets get deduplicated? (well OK you start by using a UAT only receiver.. but what about TIS-B over UAT.. Do you just drop them or do you want that instead of PCAS, etc.). Engineering a proper integrated systems is non-trivial.

So back to Foreflight etc... as your real option today (and you'll turn off the traffic audio warnings on that pretty darn quickly if flying near other gliders).


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Old November 19th 18, 11:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:47:34 PM UTC-8, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 1:26:51 PM UTC-8, RR wrote:
What I was looking at was found here, but seems to be abandoned for now.. https://github.com/cyoung/stratux/issues/489

It describes outputting the adsb traffic found on the stratux as Power flarm nema strings. If that can pump those into the 9000, then I can get an audio warning of traffic. Also, all traffic can show up in one place. I was considering another display for weather, but that is an occasional need, not persistent. I think I could do that painlessly on my phone over wifi when I wanted to see if I could get around a T-cell.

and yes, my adsb out is 2020 compliant.

Rick


Andy Blackburn was in involved in that one (against my better advice/pessimism). He is in that thread you linked to. You could ask him where this is at, and details about USA ADS-B interoperability etc., if he does not pop up here to reply.

But I'd not get too excited. Getting an ADS-B traffic target at all and then having actual FLARM like warning behaviors from it consistent with how FLARM would actually handle that same ADS-B target, let alone a FLARM target, are two different things. And then how do targets get deduplicated? (well OK you start by using a UAT only receiver.. but what about TIS-B over UAT. Do you just drop them or do you want that instead of PCAS, etc.). Engineering a proper integrated systems is non-trivial.

So back to Foreflight etc... as your real option today (and you'll turn off the traffic audio warnings on that pretty darn quickly if flying near other gliders).


Or since you have 2020 Complaint ADS-B Out (would also work with TABS, but not SIL=0/non-complaint ADS-B Out) then upgrading PowerFLARM to the LXNav PowerMouse (when it's available in the USA) will at least get you visibility of UAT targets via ADS-R. But that will only work within ADS-B ground station coverage. In that case make sure that the ADS-B Out system setup specifies your glider has ADS-B In on 1090ES.... and check that when you pull a FAA ADS-B flight report it shows that correctly configured.

For folks who really want integrated traffic, I suspect the PowerMouse will be a best option. Maybe with a separate display like Foreflight for WX/TFR and to maybe see if there is UAT stuff being missed.


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Old November 19th 18, 11:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:26:51 PM UTC-5, RR wrote:
What I was looking at was found here, but seems to be abandoned for now. https://github.com/cyoung/stratux/issues/489

It describes outputting the adsb traffic found on the stratux as Power flarm nema strings. If that can pump those into the 9000, then I can get an audio warning of traffic. Also, all traffic can show up in one place. I was considering another display for weather, but that is an occasional need, not persistent. I think I could do that painlessly on my phone over wifi when I wanted to see if I could get around a T-cell.

and yes, my adsb out is 2020 compliant.

Rick


Rick, I have it working with my own version of the code or I should have said I tested it a year ago, but it never became operational in my glider. I have too many other things going on right now to finish it, but maybe if we get more freezing temps I will get it done this winter. I will talk to you at the airport. I just pulled the PowerFlam out of the glider to get it sent for fixing. Less than 2 years and the radio produces only 200 micro Watts/m2 right at the antenna.
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Old November 19th 18, 11:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Thanks. All I was looking for was a single place to look for Traffic. In that stratux is unlikely/unable to pick up power flarm, adding the "hidden" targets to my primary display seemed like the best option. I don't expect flarm like collision estimation, only all targets in one place. As for duplication, I don't know how much of an issue that will be, if the targets are stacked/overlayed, it may not visually matter.

Rick
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Old November 20th 18, 12:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Thanks Bruce,

I had a Stratux a couple of years ago.Â* Played with it for a while and
sold it.Â* I don't think the stratux will work with the iPad, will it?Â*
It's now moot since I won't be buying anything else.

On 11/19/2018 9:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
Dan

Build yourself a Stratux (http://stratux.me/). Works the same as Stratus. A buddy and I have tested both and there is little or no difference. You can buy a Stratux prebuild or build it yourself. Build it yourself, I think I spent about $150(thru Amazon) with every option and assembled it in about 1/2 hour taking my time and double checking everything. The next one would take about 15 minutes. Works!!

Bruce

On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I got the XGPS-170d for ADS-B in capability in the glider long before
considering installing ADS-B in the glider and, I think before we
installed it in the Cessna 180.Â* Unfortunately, it won't work with the
iPad (thanks Apple), and the Android version of Garmin Pilot crashes all
the time and doesn't have all the functionality of the Apple version
(thanks Garmin), so I'm stuck with both now.Â* Had I to do it over, I'd
get the stratus and use the iPad in both aircraft.Â* Oh wait...Â* Avare
won't work on the iPad so I'd have to buy ForeFlight to use in both
aircraft (thanks Apple and/or Google and/or Garmin) so I...Â* Oh never
mind.Â* I'm stuck with both now.

On 11/19/2018 6:39 AM, Jeff wrote:
I have an iPad mini 4 and a Stratus for adsb in. Works great and I can easily move it between aircraft. I do not have adsb out, so I miss some of the traffic. If I’m flying low on the ridges, the adsb signal is poor and intermittent so I’m missing traffic anyway......

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Old November 20th 18, 12:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 4:30:37 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
Thanks Bruce,

I had a Stratux a couple of years ago.Â* Played with it for a while and
sold it.Â* I don't think the stratux will work with the iPad, will it?Â*
It's now moot since I won't be buying anything else.

On 11/19/2018 9:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
Dan

Build yourself a Stratux (http://stratux.me/). Works the same as Stratus. A buddy and I have tested both and there is little or no difference. You can buy a Stratux prebuild or build it yourself. Build it yourself, I think I spent about $150(thru Amazon) with every option and assembled it in about 1/2 hour taking my time and double checking everything. The next one would take about 15 minutes. Works!!

Bruce

On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I got the XGPS-170d for ADS-B in capability in the glider long before
considering installing ADS-B in the glider and, I think before we
installed it in the Cessna 180.Â* Unfortunately, it won't work with the
iPad (thanks Apple), and the Android version of Garmin Pilot crashes all
the time and doesn't have all the functionality of the Apple version
(thanks Garmin), so I'm stuck with both now.Â* Had I to do it over, I'd
get the stratus and use the iPad in both aircraft.Â* Oh wait...Â* Avare
won't work on the iPad so I'd have to buy ForeFlight to use in both
aircraft (thanks Apple and/or Google and/or Garmin) so I...Â* Oh never
mind.Â* I'm stuck with both now.

On 11/19/2018 6:39 AM, Jeff wrote:
I have an iPad mini 4 and a Stratus for adsb in. Works great and I can easily move it between aircraft. I do not have adsb out, so I miss some of the traffic. If I’m flying low on the ridges, the adsb signal is poor and intermittent so I’m missing traffic anyway......
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Dan, 5J


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Dan, 5J


Dan

I use it with both FlyQ on an Ipad mini 4 and with Avare on an android tablet and phone. I've also used it on a trial with Foreflight. Works on a lot of apps and platforms.

Bruce
 




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