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"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Ed Majden" wrote in message news:TKTxb.517054$pl3.344659@pd7tw3no... "Gord Beaman" Ed, I suspect that Ken is referring to the Confederate Air Force vice Canadian Armed Forces. Yes? Gord: I suspect your right, forgot about them. They sometimes come up here for airshows and are enjoyed very much. Thanks to our big spending government our CAF still fly OLD crates. Example: The Herc, the Buffalo, SeaKing etc. All need serious replacement before they drop out of the skies! Ed Ed; I flew an aerobatic eval flight on the Snowbirds #10 Tutor as the team's guest at the Reading Air Show in 75. I'm not sure exactly where it is now, but the last I heard from some of the old Snowbird alumni, it was still in operation!! Dudley Henriques Absolutely amazing!...how did you manage that dud?...they weren't equipped with the Tutor until 1978. -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? |
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"Dudley Henriques" I flew an aerobatic eval flight on the Snowbirds #10 Tutor as the team's guest at the Reading Air Show in 75. I'm not sure exactly where it is now, but the last I heard from some of the old Snowbird alumni, it was still in operation!! Dudley: The Snowbird Air Demonstration Team is stationed in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. The Tutors that are still flying are probably all there. They come out to 19 Wing, formally CFB Comox, each year for training. One of the Tutors was traded for a Vampire which is now on display in one of the hangers on the base. They don't keep it outside with the other display aircraft as much of the Vampire airframe is wood so they want to keep it in good shape. They are in the process of rebuilding a Spitfire for the air museum also. The outside display includes a CF-100, CF-101, CF-104, T-33, Argus, Tracker, Dakota and a Mig 21 which they got from the Czechs. Also some choppers and others that I can't think of right now. My brother-in-laws nephew was a pilot with the team for a couple of tours. He flew CF-104's and finished off on the CF-18 when he got out to fly commercial. I'm a retired Armament Systems Tech (Radar Systems). My browser is not working right now but if you do a search for the Snowbird Air Demonstation Team I'm sure you will come up with something. Also look for 19 Wing Comox or CFB Comox Air Museum. Ed |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Dudley Henriques" wrote: "Ed Majden" wrote in message news:TKTxb.517054$pl3.344659@pd7tw3no... "Gord Beaman" Ed, I suspect that Ken is referring to the Confederate Air Force vice Canadian Armed Forces. Yes? Gord: I suspect your right, forgot about them. They sometimes come up here for airshows and are enjoyed very much. Thanks to our big spending government our CAF still fly OLD crates. Example: The Herc, the Buffalo, SeaKing etc. All need serious replacement before they drop out of the skies! Ed Ed; I flew an aerobatic eval flight on the Snowbirds #10 Tutor as the team's guest at the Reading Air Show in 75. I'm not sure exactly where it is now, but the last I heard from some of the old Snowbird alumni, it was still in operation!! Dudley Henriques Absolutely amazing!...how did you manage that dud?...they weren't equipped with the Tutor until 1978. -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? Sorry Gordo, you're mistaken. I flew #10 Tutor on June 10th 1975 at the Reading Air Show while a guest of the team for the weekend. Better check your dates again. I'm not sure when they got the Tutors, but I can tell you for certain that they had them when I made my flight with the team. They also were using a T33 for support that weekend if this helps you date the Tutor a bit closer. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt |
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I wonder about some of the old 75 team once in a while. They were a great
bunch. I remember Col O.B. Phillip and his daughter. Greg Bruneau and I wrung the hell out of old #10 at Reading one Sunday afternoon between shows. Moosejaw is a great ride through the plains of Saskatchewan. You can go for miles out there without seeing a damn thing. Great country Canada, and fine people. Dudley "Ed Majden" wrote in message news:cEWxb.518193$pl3.31677@pd7tw3no... "Dudley Henriques" I flew an aerobatic eval flight on the Snowbirds #10 Tutor as the team's guest at the Reading Air Show in 75. I'm not sure exactly where it is now, but the last I heard from some of the old Snowbird alumni, it was still in operation!! Dudley: The Snowbird Air Demonstration Team is stationed in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. The Tutors that are still flying are probably all there. They come out to 19 Wing, formally CFB Comox, each year for training. One of the Tutors was traded for a Vampire which is now on display in one of the hangers on the base. They don't keep it outside with the other display aircraft as much of the Vampire airframe is wood so they want to keep it in good shape. They are in the process of rebuilding a Spitfire for the air museum also. The outside display includes a CF-100, CF-101, CF-104, T-33, Argus, Tracker, Dakota and a Mig 21 which they got from the Czechs. Also some choppers and others that I can't think of right now. My brother-in-laws nephew was a pilot with the team for a couple of tours. He flew CF-104's and finished off on the CF-18 when he got out to fly commercial. I'm a retired Armament Systems Tech (Radar Systems). My browser is not working right now but if you do a search for the Snowbird Air Demonstation Team I'm sure you will come up with something. Also look for 19 Wing Comox or CFB Comox Air Museum. Ed |
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
Absolutely amazing!...how did you manage that dud?...they weren't equipped with the Tutor until 1978. -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? Sorry Gordo, you're mistaken. I flew #10 Tutor on June 10th 1975 at the Reading Air Show while a guest of the team for the weekend. Better check your dates again. I'm not sure when they got the Tutors, but I can tell you for certain that they had them when I made my flight with the team. They also were using a T33 for support that weekend if this helps you date the Tutor a bit closer. Dudley Henriques Well, it's certainly possible that my source is incorrect...here's the URL: http://www.snowbirds.forces.gc.ca/history_e.asp And here's an excerpt from that URL: "431 Fighter Squadron formed at RCAF Station Bagotville on 18 January 1954 in order to display the Sabre to the public at airshows. They were disbanded on 1 October 1954. They were re-activated on 1 April 1978 as 431 Air Demonstration Squadron, more commonly known as the Snowbirds, flying the CT-114 Tutor". So I don't know more than this...it's odd that their official web site would have an error, unless the Tutor was flown as part of the Snowbirds while attached to some other unit back then. I believe that the T-33 (painted solid red) was part of the Golden Hawks Team (F-86 Sabres - and possibly the Snowbirds Team as well) and was known as "the Red Knight" -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? |
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"Gord Beaman" Absolutely amazing!...how did you manage that dud?...they weren't equipped with the Tutor until 1978. Gord: The first jet RCAF demonstration team was the Blue Devils flying the Vampire (1949-51) RCAF No. 1 Air Division in Europe were called the Sky Lancers flying Sabres Back in Canada the Golden Hawks formed flying the F-86 Sabre 1959. This air demonstration team disbanded and was resurrected as the Golden Centennaires for Canada's Centenial Year in 1967 They flew Tutor jet trainers. They reformed in 1970 at CFB Moose Jaw as the Snow Birds Air Demonstration Team 431 Squadron also flying Tutor jets to this day. During WWII 431 was a bomber squadron flying Wellingtons, Halifax and Lancasters 1942 - 1945. 431 Squadron was reformed in January 1954 as an interim F-86 Squadron awaiting production of the CF-100. It was disbanded in Oct 1954. Reformed in Moose Jaw in 1970 becoming the Snow Birds Air Demonstration Team in 1971. Hope I have the dates right! Ed |
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Ed, I suspect that Ken is referring to the Confederate Air Force vice Canadian Armed Forces. Yes? Gee, I thought he meant the Chinese Air Force! (The Confederate Air Force is no longer. To be honest, I forget what the substitute PC name is. Not Coalition Air Force, I don't suppose.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Ed Majden wrote:
"Ken Duffey" For example the T-6 is still 'serving' with the CAF - and I think one is still used (in service) by the RAE at Boscombe Down as a chase plane. Ken: I know the motto of the CAF is, "We fly old crates", but I think the T-6 Harvard is long retired unless it has been resurrected as our first line interceptor. ;-) With budget cut backs, that may be a possibility! The primary trainer is the CT-156 Harvard II which is definitely not the T-6! The CL-41 Tutor has been replaced by the CT-155 Hawk jet trainer. The Snowbird air demonstration team still fly the Tutor but they need replacement. Basic flying training is now done by a civilian contractor, Bombardier Ltd out of CFB Moose Jaw, Sask. Another result of trying to cut costs! Ed RCAF/CAF retired. Ooops! Sorry - by CAF - I meant the Commemorative (formerly Confederate) Air Force !!!! I was trying to point out the difficulty of defining the word 'service'. Best wishes Ken ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ Ken Duffey - Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast Flankers Website - http://www.flankers.co.uk/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++ |
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Ken Duffey wrote: N329DF wrote: Beaten easily by the C-47 and a close 2nd, the T-6/SNJ/Harvard 1938-1995 I think we agreed last time that the longest OPERATIONAL jet was the Lockheed T-33 - which just beat the Canberra by a couple of years. Canberra's still in service, and not showing any likelyhood of going away soon, so it is still working its way up the list. There's also the one Meteor still in use - Martin-Baker's "T8" hybrid (F8 wings and engines, T7 fuselage IIRC), so you could, at a pinch, claim that the Gloster Meteor has been in service since 1943 (and no jet *could* have been operational longer You have to be very precise with your definition - by 'service career' do you mean with a military arm ?? or in service with an airline or serving with some organisation. For example the T-6 is still 'serving' with the CAF - and I think one is still used (in service) by the RAE at Boscombe Down as a chase plane. But would they count as still having a 'service career' ?? If it's "operational, front-line military service" then the Canberra probably does win out. -- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Dudley Henriques" wrote: Absolutely amazing!...how did you manage that dud?...they weren't equipped with the Tutor until 1978. -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? Sorry Gordo, you're mistaken. I flew #10 Tutor on June 10th 1975 at the Reading Air Show while a guest of the team for the weekend. Better check your dates again. I'm not sure when they got the Tutors, but I can tell you for certain that they had them when I made my flight with the team. They also were using a T33 for support that weekend if this helps you date the Tutor a bit closer. Dudley Henriques Well, it's certainly possible that my source is incorrect...here's the URL: http://www.snowbirds.forces.gc.ca/history_e.asp And here's an excerpt from that URL: "431 Fighter Squadron formed at RCAF Station Bagotville on 18 January 1954 in order to display the Sabre to the public at airshows. They were disbanded on 1 October 1954. They were re-activated on 1 April 1978 as 431 Air Demonstration Squadron, more commonly known as the Snowbirds, flying the CT-114 Tutor". So I don't know more than this...it's odd that their official web site would have an error, unless the Tutor was flown as part of the Snowbirds while attached to some other unit back then. I believe that the T-33 (painted solid red) was part of the Golden Hawks Team (F-86 Sabres - and possibly the Snowbirds Team as well) and was known as "the Red Knight" -Gord. "You are completely focused on RPM as the single factor producing rotational velocity" -Guess who? The team was officially "reformed" on April 1st, 78 as the 431st ADS, but this had absolutely nothing whatever to do with the Tutor. In fact, it was the existence of the toot that prompted Col Phillip to form the team several years earlier . I don't believe the team would ever have been formed had the toot not been available, as budget restraints have always been a problem. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the z's with e's. dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt |
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