Bothering a Pilot on Final

On May 29, 10:33*pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:11:27 -0700 (PDT), Dave wrote
in
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My experience with skydiving operations is that the pilot usually
makes an "announcement" so fast as to be
unintelligible.However, when you hear such a verbal barrage, you know
i'ts time to be on the alert -Something is about
to happen.

Interesting. *First I've heard of that.

It has happened to me repeatedly. Likewise with people shooting
practice IFR approaches in good VFR weather
(at busy uncontrolled fields)

I've had the experience of arriving at an uncontrolled
field to find myself surrounded by descending
parachutists. Unsettling, to say the least (on that occasion I do not
recall any announcement).

Oh brother.... * That isn't a good situation. *

Did you check the NOTAMs before departure? *Were you in contact with
ATC at the time that occurred? *Did you mention your experience to the
sky-diving operator when you landed? *

I always get a briefing before going flying. Did not note anything
about the skydiving on that occasion (was a number of years ago). ATC
not involved - was a short flight between two uncontrolled fields. No
contact with the operator.

Dave

C J Campbell wrote:


Respectfully, obsessing about whether another pilot is misusing the
radio, as Larry does, is far more likely to get you killed and certainly
would get you booted out of *my* cockpit.
/snip/

CJ,

Not long after I sent my reply to your post, I realized that I may have
miss-interpreted your meaning. I initially thought that you were
advocating the wholesale disregarding of other's radio transmissions.
But, then I realized what you apparently really meant: That there is no
use obsessing over other's radio ability/useage/technique. The content
is important, not the style. As long as a transmission doesn't
belligerently block relevant communication, it's purpose is served.

I believe we are in full agreement on this subject, and I would humbly
enjoy your company in the air.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:c9458843-efb4-
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On May 30, 8:45 am, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 00:27:36 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
I've never heard excessive chatter

Now that it's coming on to summer, I find that it's a rare
flight--especially on a fine Friday, Saturday, or Sunday--when I
don't
hear excessive chatter. Today it was a long-drawn-out conversation at
Spencer airport in Massachusetts. Somebody was heading south. They
discussed the destination, and in what plane. Then a volley of "Have
a
good day" "Yeah you too" and all that sh*t. It seemed to go on for
five minutes, but I suppose it was only two or three.

Is there provision for mis-use of communications?
I read there was, but I don't recall it being applied.
If I was a controller, it would drive me batty hearing
that drivel constipate the control frequency.


Oow! imagine how much that would improve if oyu ever actually flew.



Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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Actually, I think it is those pilots who believe they know better
than the FAA, and deviate from FAA guidelines, or fail to appreciate
the wisdom inherent in the FARs who are operationally unfit to be
pilots.



Actually, it is the pilots who don't understand that rules are for the
guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools, to quote Douglass
Bader, that are a problem.


In the accident cited above, the Stinson pilot attempted to deviate
from 91.113(g).

You don't know that.
Fool.


That attempt to deviate from FAA regulations
resulted in his attempting to takeoff while another aircraft was on
final approach. If he had complied with 91.113(g), and waited for
the landing traffic, it would not have landed on top of him. Even
you, in your current mental state should be capable of seeing the
fundamental truth in that, hopefully.
Agreed Larry
Maybe I got lucky, but in my ground school
a controller came in and did a 1 hour lecture
and removed all ambiguity on radio com.
He stressed "clarity and brevity", and what he
needed to know, succintly.
Made complete common sense to me.


You're an idiot.

Clear and brief enough for you?


Bertie

I had a totally different kind of experience at BED that is fun to
talk about. We had an ex Navy pilot -- flew F14's -- in the left seat
of the Mooney. He hand flew the ILS on a bumpy day under the hood,
needles rock solid in the middle, all the while carrying on a
conversation with us about an unrelated technical matter that would
have required a normal person's full attention.

He was probably the best pilot, in terms of airplane handling ability,
I had even witnessed. He did confess the low stall speeds in the
Mooney took some getting used to.

Other than very fit, handsome, funny, skilled and smart he was just
like most other pilots I knew.

I wonder what it would take to distract him on final: Incoming?


On May 29, 8:27 am, "Steve Foley" wrote:
"Tina" wrote in message

...

My personal favorite, and this was the tower at KBED, is we were
flying the ILS into 11 at KBED, at night, ceiling was said to be 300
feet or so, and half way in from the OM tower asked for the landing
light. Can you think of a better way to ruin night vision than
lighting up the inside of a cloud?

"Hanscom Tower, we'll wait until we break out."

Probably the same Hanscom controller that told someone to position and hold
while I was on short final. What really sucked was that the sun was shining
through the prop on final. I really didn't enjoy going through that strobe
effect again.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On May 29, 11:27 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2008-05-29 12:39:04 -0700, Scott Skylane
said:

C J Campbell wrote:

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what
other pilots are saying on the radio.

Respectfully, CJ,

That attitude may well get you killed, and would certainly get you
booted out of my cockpit.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Respectfully, obsessing about whether another pilot is misusing the
radio, as Larry does, is far more likely to get you killed and
certainly would get you booted out of *my* cockpit.

Obsessing is a harsh word, consider the communications
foul-up that killed 500 people,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerif...tion_misunders
t
andings

Personally, I think most pilots formulate what
they are going to say prior to keying the mike,
to provide controller with who I am, position and
intent, clearly and briefly, and of course other
pilots hear that brief to.
I've never heard excessive chatter, tho I got a
little close to a fella flying NORDO, who flew
under me while I was on final, so I aborted and
did another circuit.
...
It is very difficult to teach proper radio procedures as it is
without the extremely rude and even violent discussion that
frequently pervades news groups like this.

Radio work is quite easy, just go talk to the local
controller and he'll brief you, he's the pro

I'm sure they'd be thrilled to see you Kenny.


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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I'd hear, "Roger, your clear".


I'm sure you did. You can even hear grammatically correct.

Next I'd key radio just before doing my 30 degree
bank to get into the down-wind, so the controller
can get an easy visual of me, "YYG turning onto
downwind". Same for every other turn, to final.

Radio work is 1st for the controller, and secondly
for other a/c, he's the boss.


No, he isn't fjukktard.



Bertie

On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:43:35 -0500, Viperdoc wrote:

Actually, it was a little weird and creepy to know that someone had gone to
all that trouble to look up my history and background, just to send me an
email lecture on how to use Usenet. Luckily, I work with several federal law
enforcement agents and federal attorneys in the Air Force, and if it got out
of hand, I was going to ask their advice and show them the messages.

Messages? I thought it was one email. He's stalking you? Which fleas do
you work with?

On Fri, 30 May 2008 17:38:57 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

They discussed the destination, and in what plane.

Gee, I hope it wasn't mine.

"Are you in the Cub?"

"Nope. In the xxxxx."

(You immediately came to mind, Steve

I can't remember where the Wanderer was going. New York?

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:27:54 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Spencer uses 123.0. Tanner-Hiller is the only airport within 25 miles of
Spencer that uses 123.0, but they have very little traffic.

I was just past Plum Island (123.0) and heading south. At 2500 feet I
can hear four states (though to be sure, the radius doesn't have to be
very large to allow that: New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont,
Massachusetts).


My question is: Can a plane transmitting from twenty five miles away
interfere with local communications?

Oh, I think so. I often key to transmit and send out this awful
squeal, which I assume means someone else (who I can't hear with the
rubber ducky antenna) is transmitting at the same time.

(I don't think you can hear me, though! I have tried it, inbound to
Hampton, at 10 miles, 5 miles, 2 miles ... it's not until I'm almost
overhead that I can raise George.)

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com