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"jsmith" wrote in message ... Okay, maybe useless is the wrong word. Grossly inadequate is more descriptive. The manual by itself is too basic and leaves out too much really important information. If you can get your hands on the US Navy T-34C manual, you will have something practical. You miss the entire point. The objective in creating a SAFE formation program for use by civilians was SIMPLICITY, exactly the aspect of this program you seem to be having a problem with. The T34 formation program was designed specifically to be used by pilots without military training....the average Joe so to speak. In this respect, simplicity was job one! The last thing you want in a formation program for GA pilots is more information than is actually needed to keep everyone safe. By keeping the suggested formations to a select few, and making movement between them simple and consistent, the T34 Manual serves a very useful purpose. A lot of thought by some of the world's leading pilots went into the development of the T34 Formation program, and the proof of it's worth is it's extensive and almost exclusive use in the aviation community. No one will argue with you that the military programs are more extensive and complete, but extensive isn't the key word when dealing with civilian pilots....SAFETY is the word. As I said, pilots like Bob Hoover have signed off on the program as written, and in fact have taken an active part in promoting it. In fact, it was the input of pilots like Hoover that dictated the safest procedure for civilian pilots should reflect EXACTLY what is found in the T34 Formation Manual. Hell, I have right here with me staring me in the puss on the shelf, some of the most extensive formation training material ever printed; Air Force; Navy; Naval Test Pilot school; Empire Test Pilot School; you name it, I have it!! Believe me, I would not want to take a bunch of civilians in dissimilar aircraft and put them together in formation using these advanced techniques. They're WAY too complex for civilians. I've flown fighting wing with a hard turning lead without having to go in trail. I've flown loose duce in a dissimilar pair. I've flown formation with the Canadian Snowbirds; but when it comes to flying in formation with general aviation pilots, trust me, I'm much more comfortable with these guys having been taught how to fly a strong right fingertip four the right way, than I would be with the same bunch being trained in ALL phases of formation procedure. When it comes to civilian pilots and formation flying, especially when dissimilar aircraft are involved, SIMPLICITY beats Complexity for general safety every time!! Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash :-) |
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"jsmith" wrote in message ... Okay, maybe useless is the wrong word. Grossly inadequate is more descriptive. The manual by itself is too basic and leaves out too much really important information. My T-34 package included a video which is what provided most of the information. The manual is just a reference which I do not believe was meant to serve as a stand alone document. |
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This is correct. The video and the manual were meant to be used together as
a system. The manual alone is simply a reference source. The info is there, but to get the complete picture, you do need the video. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash :-) "Dave Stadt" wrote in message . com... "jsmith" wrote in message ... Okay, maybe useless is the wrong word. Grossly inadequate is more descriptive. The manual by itself is too basic and leaves out too much really important information. My T-34 package included a video which is what provided most of the information. The manual is just a reference which I do not believe was meant to serve as a stand alone document. |
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That's exactly my point Dudley.
I am not argueing about the content of the program as it is taught. Only that the manual by itself is not sufficient. For that matter, it should not be called a manual at all. My interpretation of the OP's question was a self contained manual. Dudley Henriques wrote: This is correct. The video and the manual were meant to be used together as a system. The manual alone is simply a reference source. The info is there, but to get the complete picture, you do need the video. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash :-) "jsmith" wrote in message Okay, maybe useless is the wrong word. Grossly inadequate is more descriptive. The manual by itself is too basic and leaves out too much really important information. "Dave Stadt" wrote in message My T-34 package included a video which is what provided most of the information. The manual is just a reference which I do not believe was meant to serve as a stand alone document. |
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I would definitely agree with this. The "manual" was meant to be used simply
as a reference guide for the entire T34 Formation package which of course includes the video. As a stand alone, the manual, as you are correctly saying doesn't contain nearly the information contained in other general sources of information on formation flying. DH "jsmith" wrote in message ... That's exactly my point Dudley. I am not argueing about the content of the program as it is taught. Only that the manual by itself is not sufficient. For that matter, it should not be called a manual at all. My interpretation of the OP's question was a self contained manual. Dudley Henriques wrote: This is correct. The video and the manual were meant to be used together as a system. The manual alone is simply a reference source. The info is there, but to get the complete picture, you do need the video. Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash :-) "jsmith" wrote in message Okay, maybe useless is the wrong word. Grossly inadequate is more descriptive. The manual by itself is too basic and leaves out too much really important information. "Dave Stadt" wrote in message My T-34 package included a video which is what provided most of the information. The manual is just a reference which I do not believe was meant to serve as a stand alone document. |
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