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Old January 26th 04, 01:47 AM
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The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the

707.

I believe the world's first transatlantic air service was by the

zeppelin.
The world's first transatlantic service by airplane was by Pan Am and

the
Boeing 314.


The topic is jet airliners.


I thought the subject was, "Why We Lost The Vietnam War"


That is what it says in the subject line. The topic is jet airliners.


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  #33  
Old January 26th 04, 01:56 AM
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No, *this* is balls. April 8 1954 was the last of *three* Comet crashes
through the same cause. October 19 1954 was the date of publication of
the crash report giving metal fatigue as the cause. July 15, 1954 was
the date of the 707 prototype's first flight.


The prototype was not the finished article. Also British research on


the

Comet was ongoing from the first crash. All this went to the USA.



The 707 was a better, safer plane than the Comet. End of story.


IT was a larger plane


Yes.

B707

Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m)
Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m)
Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2)

Comet

Dimensions [m] Comet 1 Comet 1A Comet 2
Overall length 28.61 28.61 29.53
Wing span 34.98 34.98 34.98
Wing surface [m2] 188.3 188.3 188.3

Actually making it bigger with a thicker skin and oval windows were all
(obviously) designed into the 707 *way* before the Comet crashes.

with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back on.

No. See actual dates from my previous post.


The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.


No. See Keith's post.



I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958.


As has been patiently explained to you, it wasn't the first air service
from UK to USA. Props like the Constellation and the DC 4 and even
Zeppelins had flown that route before. The Comet couldn't do the
Atlantic non-stop any more than the first 707 (367-80 Prototype (1954)
could.

It was the first jet airliner in regular service, but it was too unreliable.

The 707 was first non-stop. A better, safer, plane. If it hurts you that
it was American, get over it.


Better
plane? The Nimrod, which still fly's today, is a "Comet".


Absolutely not. You are in fantasy land if you think the Comet was in
any sense 'better' than the 707. It had a truly awful safety record.



The crashes were put right. The Nimrod (a Comet) and the Comet have flow
many miles and years and the Nimrod is still flying.


The after-effect of the many crashes which were caused by design errors
that ought never to have been made was a lack of confidence and a
massive cancelling of orders from airlines.


The perpetuation of the Nimrod has
been IMO a financial and military
disaster for Britain.



The Nimrod (a Comet) is a cost effective plane and very god at what it does.


You must have forgotten the smiley here surely? I knew people in
Ferranti who worked on the system in the 80's. It was an over-budget
under-capable piece of job-creation then and it still is now.


And, as Keith points out, military versions of the
707 are still pretty common, certainly more so than the Nimrod. Who else
other than us flies the Nimrod? Who else other than UK and commonwealth
carriers ever even flew the Comet? How many were built compared to the
707? etc etc...



The USA did give tasters to many buyers.


True. OTOH at least one of the lost Comets was on some kind of round the
world publicity stunt. Same difference.


I quite like Jeremy Clarkson, but if watching the occasional bit of TV
is the sum of your knowledge about aviation (as it appears), you should
maybe go away and read up a bit more before posting here.

I worked in aviation.


No offence, but that isn't always obvious from the things you post.



Then pay attention.


I'll certainly try to. How about in return, you posting something worth
paying attention to?

John

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Old January 26th 04, 02:02 AM
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958.


The Boeing 314 was the first transatlantic airplane service in 1939.


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Old January 26th 04, 02:05 AM
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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The topic is jet airliners.


Gee, according to the subject line the topic is the Vietnam War.

Your statement was, "The world's first transatlantic service was by the
Comet not the 707", not, "The world's first transatlantic jet service was by
the Comet not the 707." Your statement is incorrect.


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Old January 26th 04, 02:09 AM
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Then pay attention.


What for? It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.



The final one. It say so up there.


What is your first language?



You didn't get the point. Please focus.


You didn'r make a point. The point is nothing from the Comet went into the
design of Boeing's bombers or the 707.


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Old January 26th 04, 02:15 AM
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back

on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.


Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320



I think you are screwed up on your airplane designations. Sure it wasn't a
707-320? The Boeing 727 series was a much later series. On the
Trans-Atlantic runs I remember crossing on the DC-6/C-118 airplanes long
before 1959. Don't leave Douglas out, please.

Tex Houston


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Old January 26th 04, 02:24 AM
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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IT was a larger plane with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall

back
on.
The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.


Wrong, the pressurised Boeing Stratocruiser and Lockheed
Constellations were running transatlantic services before either
Comet or the 707. The Comet IV lacked the range to fly the
Atlantic non stop and the first jet non stop service was launched
in August 1959 using the Boeing 727-320



I think you are screwed up on your airplane designations. Sure it wasn't

a
707-320? The Boeing 727 series was a much later series.


Why would you believe the 727 was a much later series?

On the
Trans-Atlantic runs I remember crossing on the DC-6/C-118 airplanes long
before 1959. Don't leave Douglas out, please.


Think 720 instead of 727 and you will get it.


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Old January 26th 04, 02:31 AM
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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Spiv wrote:

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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Spiv wrote:

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No, *this* is balls. April 8 1954 was the last of *three* Comet

crashes
through the same cause. October 19 1954 was the date of publication

of
the crash report giving metal fatigue as the cause. July 15, 1954 was
the date of the 707 prototype's first flight.


The prototype was not the finished article. Also British research on


the

Comet was ongoing from the first crash. All this went to the USA.



The 707 was a better, safer plane than the Comet. End of story.


IT was a larger plane

Yes.

B707

Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m)
Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m)
Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2)

Comet

Dimensions [m] Comet 1 Comet 1A Comet 2
Overall length 28.61 28.61 29.53
Wing span 34.98 34.98 34.98
Wing surface [m2] 188.3 188.3 188.3

Actually making it bigger with a thicker skin and oval windows were all
(obviously) designed into the 707 *way* before the Comet crashes.

with 10 years of the Comet before it to fall back on.

No. See actual dates from my previous post.


The world's first transatlantic service was by the Comet not the 707.

No. See Keith's post.



I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958.


As has been patiently explained to you, it wasn't the first air service
from UK to USA. Props like the Constellation and the DC 4 and even
Zeppelins had flown that route before.


The topic is "jet" aeroplanes. Do you know the difference?

The 707 was first non-stop. A better, safer, plane. If it hurts you that
it was American, get over it.


The first was the Comet. a year before the 707.

The crashes were put right. The Nimrod (a Comet) and the Comet have

flow
many miles and years and the Nimrod is still flying.


The after-effect of the many crashes which were caused by design errors
that ought never to have been made was a lack of confidence and a
massive cancelling of orders from airlines.


That may have been the case. It still does not detract from the pint tat
once the problems were identified and sorted the Comet was a very good plane
and still flying after 54 years.

One of the first 707s dropped an engine over the North Sea.

The Nimrod (a Comet) is a cost effective plane and very god at what it

does.

You must have forgotten the smiley here surely? I knew people in
Ferranti who worked on the system in the 80's. It was an over-budget
under-capable piece of job-creation then and it still is now.

And, as Keith points out, military versions of the
707 are still pretty common, certainly more so than the Nimrod. Who else
other than us flies the Nimrod? Who else other than UK and commonwealth
carriers ever even flew the Comet? How many were built compared to the
707? etc etc...


The USA did give tasters to many buyers.


True. OTOH at least one of the lost Comets was on some kind of round the
world publicity stunt. Same difference.


Boeing tasters were financial. The VC10 was a superior plane to the 707 and
it did not sell well either.

I quite like Jeremy Clarkson, but if watching the occasional bit of TV
is the sum of your knowledge about aviation (as it appears), you

should
maybe go away and read up a bit more before posting here.

I worked in aviation.

No offence, but that isn't always obvious from the things you post.


Then pay attention.


I'll certainly try to. How about in return, you posting something worth
paying attention to?


I'm not into Noddy and Big Ears.


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Old January 26th 04, 02:32 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Spiv" wrote in message
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I did and it is just inane babble. The Comet was first in 1958.


The Boeing 314 was the first transatlantic airplane service in 1939.


The topic is "jet" airliners.


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