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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:44:03 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message ... Anyone else read the article in the new private pilot mag ( think it was pvt pilot) that had the A36 Bonanza turbo prop modification. They listed is as almost a half a million dollar modification. Yep, that's where I got the engine for my Navion. I have IO-550-B Platinum edition, prop, engine instruments, etc... everything that came off some guy's Bonanza when it went in for the turbine mod. Nine hours since factor new. Man, but that must be one sweet runnin' Navion. You should have kept the 2-blade prop for effect though. Those suckers were loud! :-)) We had a pain of Navions in USAF paint take off from 3BS last summer, right out over the noise sensitive folks in their rich homes off the south end of 18/36. They went right by the EAA chapter building and darn near made the wrenches rattle in the tool box. :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger Halstead wrote:
We had a pain of Navions in USAF paint take off from 3BS last summer, hmmm, I heard of a "pods" of whales, a "murder" of crows, a "bouquet" of pheasants and even a "bale" of turtles. But thats the first tiime I've ever heard of a "pain" of Navions. Just how many Navions are required to have a full "pain?" I will reserve comment on how apropo the term is ;-) -- Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:27:09 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
wrote: Roger Halstead wrote: We had a pain of Navions in USAF paint take off from 3BS last summer, hmmm, I heard of a "pods" of whales, a "murder" of crows, a "bouquet" of pheasants and even a "bale" of turtles. But thats the first tiime I've ever heard of a "pain" of Navions. Just how many Navions are required to have a full "pain?" According to the airport neighbors... Just one, or more. :-)) I will reserve comment on how apropo the term is ;-) Being a touch typist, I must have looked at the keyboard instead of the monitor...or I can blame it on the spell checker? My proof reader had gone to bed at least four hours earlier so I can't blame her. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:18:41 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote: "Roy Smith" wrote in message ... Scott Skylane wrote: These have been around for quite a while, and they are nothing but an exercise in compromises. All airplanes are an exercise in compromises. First, there is no "yellow arc" allowed on the airspeed indicator, so redline becomes top of the green. I know turbines don't have a yellow arc, but I never understood the logic behind that. Vno (bottom of the yellow arc) is determined by airframe factors -- IIRC, the ability of the wings to handle the stresses from vertical gusts. How does taking out pistons and putting in fan blades change how the airframe reacts to stresses? It doesn't, turbines are just rated more conservatively. There is nothing magic about these numbers. Vne is simply 90% of Vd (maximium demonstrated According to Bell in "Those Incompairable Bonanzas" Vne is 80% of the tested dive speed in the Bo, where it is 90% in almost all other aircraft. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com dive speed), and Vno (Vmo in turbines) is simply 80%. Barry Schiff has a discussion of V speeds in one of his books. Mike MU-2 This restricts you to pretty low true airspeeds at breathable altitudes. Stay down low, go slow and burn A LOT of gas. Go up high, go fast, and suck on a nose bag. But oh man, think of the climb rates you must get! |
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Roger Halstead wrote:
Being a touch typist, I must have looked at the keyboard instead of the monitor...or I can blame it on the spell checker? My proof reader had gone to bed at least four hours earlier so I can't blame her. No problem, Roger. If you notice, in true usenet fashion, my gentle jab at your typo contained a typo of its own. At least yours was mildly amusing. -- Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR |
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In article , Roger Halstead
wrote: We had a pain of Navions in USAF paint take off from 3BS last summer, right out over the noise sensitive folks in their rich homes off the south end of 18/36. L-17's |
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"EDR" wrote in message ... In article , Roger Halstead wrote: We had a pain of Navions in USAF paint take off from 3BS last summer, right out over the noise sensitive folks in their rich homes off the south end of 18/36. L-17's Or perhaps L-17 pretenders. There's very little difference between an actual L-17 and a civilian Navion. You pretty much have to look up the serial number to know. |
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"Roger Halstead" wrote in message ... On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:18:41 GMT, "Mike Rapoport" wrote: "Roy Smith" wrote in message ... Scott Skylane wrote: These have been around for quite a while, and they are nothing but an exercise in compromises. All airplanes are an exercise in compromises. First, there is no "yellow arc" allowed on the airspeed indicator, so redline becomes top of the green. I know turbines don't have a yellow arc, but I never understood the logic behind that. Vno (bottom of the yellow arc) is determined by airframe factors -- IIRC, the ability of the wings to handle the stresses from vertical gusts. How does taking out pistons and putting in fan blades change how the airframe reacts to stresses? It doesn't, turbines are just rated more conservatively. There is nothing magic about these numbers. Vne is simply 90% of Vd (maximium demonstrated According to Bell in "Those Incompairable Bonanzas" Vne is 80% of the tested dive speed in the Bo, where it is 90% in almost all other aircraft. 90% of Vd is the maximium that Vne can be. Some airplanes have a Vne lower than 90% of Vd for various reasons. In the MU-2 Vd is 345kts and Vmo is only 250kts or 72%. It had something to due with the CAR 3 standard that it was certified under and the fact that the early MU-2s couldn't do 250kts indicated in level flight anyway. Even though the later models have almost twice the power as the originals and will easily reach 250kts indicated as high as 16,000', the 250kts Vmo was left unchanged. Mike MU-2 Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com dive speed), and Vno (Vmo in turbines) is simply 80%. Barry Schiff has a discussion of V speeds in one of his books. Mike MU-2 This restricts you to pretty low true airspeeds at breathable altitudes. Stay down low, go slow and burn A LOT of gas. Go up high, go fast, and suck on a nose bag. But oh man, think of the climb rates you must get! |
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Jeff wrote in message ...
this is the first time I heard of them having this conversion for the A36 bonanza, seems kinda like over kill for that plane. I have seen it for other planes before. the article said they also had to add tip tanks for the extra gas that thing burns You think the Bonanza conversion is overkill? You oughta see this one : http://sobering.terracom.net/eaa99/Turbo_Luscombe/ John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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I had the opportunity to see the Bonanza conversion that was featured in
Plane and Pilot magazine this month-it now belongs to a friend of mine. The plane is truly beautiful and immaculate, there are only 80 hours on the airframe. The conversion is fully integrated with the Bonanza, as are the wing tanks. It does not look like it was added on at all. The workmanship is exquisite, with a very neat installation and great attention to detail. All of the panels fit square and flush, and the paint job is immaculate. Of course, the Jaguar leather interior and Garmin panel with TCAD, WX-500, etc are also immaculate. The plane retains the reliability and workmanship of a Beech aircraft, with the added horsepower and reliability of the turbine. For equal costs, I would definitely consider a turbine Bonanza a serious competitor for a new B-58 Baron, particularly regarding reliability and ease of flying in and out of short fields, along with cruise speed and performance. I can't wait to go for a ride within the next few days and get my hands on the controls! |
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