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Old March 24th 06, 12:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
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: Touche!


: How hard do you touche?

BOOOO! Get off the stage!






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Old March 24th 06, 03:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
Did he have you practice Controlled Flight Into Terrain also?


Do landings count?


Touche!



How hard do you touche?


Depends if your doing a touche and go.


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Old March 24th 06, 03:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Thanks for everyones response to my question.
I would add a note about the practice of stalls and unusual attitude
recovery in IMC.
I work in the Oil and Gas industry on Catalytic Cracking units. If
something goes wrong it is serious (usually only in $, but sometimes
lives)
However almost nothing ever goes wrong. And when it does, it is almost
always because TWO things went wrong. Therefore we never test one
thing going wrong, because we never know when the other thing might
also go wrong.
Imagine practicing stalls in IMC at the moment your vacuum system
fails? Or steep turns?
Not for me - but others have a high risk tolerance.
Thanks for everyones response.

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Old March 24th 06, 03:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
One one instrument proficiency check a few years ago, I had a CFII not
only
ask me to perform stalls, but also to make two steep turns, all while
flying on an IFR flight plan in IMC



Seems a bit like asking a student to practice spins on his turn from
base to final. Some things seem better to practice simulated. In my
aircraft the plane rolls over about 30 degrees in the stall and has a
pretty good nose down attitude. I wouldn't be excited to do that in
IMC.


I actually recover from stalls better under the hood than I do visually. A
stall feels much less dramatic to me when I can't see out and I tend to
respond faster and smoother than when stalling visually. I would have no
fear doing stalls in IMC with a competent instructor along.


Alas, one of the most (if not THE MOST) common forms of death in flying.

Steep turns in IMC is lunacy.

In IMC I'd rather follow the flight director and mine limits bank angles to
about 20 degrees.





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Old March 24th 06, 03:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

Pretty much everyone will tell you it's actually easier to fly in clouds
than
under the hood.


Not me. I think actual is harder due to the misleading visual clues
of
the clouds,


Sounds like you're letting your focus wander if you're looking out long
enough to pick up cues like that. (?)



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Old March 24th 06, 03:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Sounds like you're letting your focus wander if you're looking out long
enough to pick up cues like that. (?)


Nah, just accumulating a lot of IMC experience as of late where the scan is
starting to become second nature, rather than demand every last brain cycle
like it did when I was a student.

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Old March 24th 06, 03:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Matt Barrow wrote:

I take it you dumped that guy?


Nope. He's a 10,000 hour, gray-haired ATP with a lot of experience to
share and a very good teacher. I would imagine he only hands out tasks
such as these if he has confidence in the instrument pilot taking the IPC.

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Old March 24th 06, 03:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Doug wrote:

Did he have you practice Controlled Flight Into Terrain also?


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Old March 24th 06, 04:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Michael wrote:
Sure. You'll get a chunk of airspace defined by a block altitude and
maximum distance from some fix or VOR radials.



That is theoretically possible, but not common in airspace that is at
all busy. I do most of my instruction in Houston Approach airspace,


It was not uncommon at all in the evenings for Continental Express
(ExpressJet in this case) to fly off to beaumont and request a chunk of
airspace for them to perform maneuvers and training under an IFR
clearance. Not just a hold, but sometimes an entire quadrant with a 5k
foot chunk of airspace. Granted this was late night, but it was doable.

Dave
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Old March 24th 06, 04:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Greg,

Do you have an instrument rating attached to your pilot's
certificate?

Thanks
CloudyIFR

 




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