non TSO AI for co-pilot legal?

Hello,

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.

Thanks,

-dr

Cite to chapter and verse of the FAR, please?

Jim



"zatatime" wrote in message
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On 17 Jul 2006 19:30:26 -0700, "Dico" wrote:

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.


If you intend to use it for navigational purposes it needs to be
certified.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
news
On 17 Jul 2006 19:30:26 -0700, "Dico" wrote:

Hello,

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.

Thanks,

-dr


If you intend to use it for navigational purposes it needs to be
certified.

z

Bzzzzzt, wrong.

On 17 Jul 2006 19:30:26 -0700, "Dico" wrote:

Hello,

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.

Thanks,

-dr


If you intend to use it for navigational purposes it needs to be
certified.

z

It may take some doing but sometimes you can. I was able to talk the
Sacramento FSDO into approving (in concept) a co-pilot located non TSO
-AI. The agreement was that I would never apply for 135 and that the
instrument would be labeled "VFR only". However, before installation
Sporty's came out with reallly cheap TSO'd AIs so I never did the
install.

-Robert


Dico wrote:
Hello,

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.

Thanks,

-dr

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:10:38 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:


"zatatime" wrote in message
news
On 17 Jul 2006 19:30:26 -0700, "Dico" wrote:

Hello,

I'm wondering if its legal to put a 2nd artificial horizon in the plane
as a backup if it is not certified? We may want to put one in the
plane as a backup... but just wanted to know if we need a certified
unit or not.

Thanks,

-dr


If you intend to use it for navigational purposes it needs to be
certified.

z

Bzzzzzt, wrong.


Fill me in....What's right then?

z

Hmmm...

I find references to Parts and Sections, but nothing for verse.....

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Cite to chapter and verse of the FAR, please?

Jim

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:53:03 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Hmmm...

I find references to Parts and Sections, but nothing for verse.....

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Cite to chapter and verse of the FAR, please?

Jim




I'd like to learn if I am incorrect. Can you show me where it says it
is acceptable to use a non-TSO'd part in a certified
(non-experimental) aircraft without changing its classification?

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:53:03 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Hmmm...

I find references to Parts and Sections, but nothing for verse.....

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Cite to chapter and verse of the FAR, please?

Jim




I'd like to learn if I am incorrect. Can you show me where it says it
is acceptable to use a non-TSO'd part in a certified
(non-experimental) aircraft without changing its classification?

z

You want someone to prove a negative. Better approach is to find where it
is required. If you can't find it you are home free.

On 07/19/06 20:51, Dave Stadt wrote:
"zatatime" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:53:03 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

Hmmm...

I find references to Parts and Sections, but nothing for verse.....

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Cite to chapter and verse of the FAR, please?

Jim




I'd like to learn if I am incorrect. Can you show me where it says it
is acceptable to use a non-TSO'd part in a certified
(non-experimental) aircraft without changing its classification?

z

You want someone to prove a negative. Better approach is to find where it
is required. If you can't find it you are home free.



Well ... I looked all through the magazines I have in the bathroom and
found nothing ;-)


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA