Don't point RPGs at US soldiers!

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos, civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest, chest
and head, Great shooting!!

T3

"Drewe Manton" wrote in message
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I'm not even convinced it was a sniper shot. . .looked like automatic
weapons fire to me. . repeated shooting and I picked out 2, maybe 3 tracer
rounds. Do we even know where it was taken (I don't speak the language of
the news reporter!).. might it have been Israel rather than Iraq?

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"


No doubt about it, pretty sure it was a SAW. I've shot and heard enough of
'em to recognize it.


T3


btw-It was in Iraq

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

How many snipers do you know who use tracers? Smart money would instead be
on him being engaged by an overwatching element (when contact is expected,
bounding overwatch being the preferred maneuver scheme).


As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

Most Army snipers use a Remington bolt action (M-24 IIRC) these days; your
"tricked up" M-14 (actually known as the M-21) has been in the decline (if
it is not completely replaced already) for years now.

Brooks


I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos, civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave

"T3" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt
actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up
M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper
because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying
to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos,
civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest,
chest
and head, Great shooting!!

I'd bet you are right about the weapon being used; SAW with standard
intermittent tracer load.

Brooks


T3

On 18 Jun 2004 12:00:25 GMT, Drewe Manton
wrote:

I'm not even convinced it was a sniper shot. . .looked like automatic
weapons fire to me. . repeated shooting and I picked out 2, maybe 3 tracer
rounds. Do we even know where it was taken (I don't speak the language of
the news reporter!).. might it have been Israel rather than Iraq?

Possibly a M249? with a 1 in 5 tracer round maybe?

I've also seen recently another video (do you think I can find it!) of
an Iraqi firing what looks like a 50 cal from the hip, he squeezes off
a burst, then ducks back out of the way when something nearly nails
him... you can see the impact/ricochet of the incoming round...

From: Drewe Manton
Date: 6/18/04 8:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I'm not even convinced it was a sniper shot. . .looked like automatic
weapons fire to me. . repeated shooting and I picked out 2, maybe 3 tracer
rounds. Do we even know where it was taken (I don't speak the language of the
news reporter!).. might it have been Israel rather than Iraq?
Drewe

Yeah, I didn't see the tracer until I ran it through slo-mo style frame by
frame. And I didn't play it with my speakers turned on either, so I didn't hear
the sound of auto weapons fire.

Definately a SAW with the bullets exiting at wierd angles after hitting the
guy.
Dave
Dave

From: "T3"
Date: 6/18/04 9:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

No doubt about it, pretty sure it was a SAW. I've shot and heard enough of
'em to recognize it.


T3

I agree. Unfortunately, I watched the clip with no speakers turned on and
missed the tracer when I first saw the clip.
Dave

From: "Kevin Brooks"


How many snipers do you know who use tracers? Smart money would instead be on
him being engaged by an overwatching element (when contact is expected,
bounding overwatch being the preferred maneuver scheme).

Yeah, I missed the tracers and watched the clip without sound the first time.
It's a SAW.

Most Army snipers use a Remington bolt action (M-24 IIRC) these days; your
"tricked up" M-14 (actually known as the M-21) has been in the decline (if it
is not completely replaced already) for years now.
Brooks

Which doesn't explain the pics of Army snipers toting the M-14 variants I
mentioned coming across the Associated Press wire feed on Iraq that is
available here on AOL. There was one of a guy covering a field after a convoy
ambush just recently with just such a rifle.
Dave

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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Further, the sniper may have been able to lure the dead guy's compatriots
out
into the street had he held off firing the follow up kill shot to the
head.
Just wound the guy on the first shot and wait for his buddies to come out
and
"rescue" him.......and then drill them all too. Make a pile of them in
the
street......however, the insurgent fighters may be "on" to that tactic
already.
Dave

I seriously doubt that the bad guys care enough about such things to even
bother "rescuing" one of their own.


Someone has neglected to tell them the 17 female virgins they receive in
heaven have PMS for all eternity.

snip
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest,
chest
and head, Great shooting!!

T3
For those of you who are wondering what SAW is (I was), it's Squad Automatic
Weapon.

http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPART/US...W/army-saw.htm