PDA for Moving Map

I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

On Dec 15, 2:27*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am....

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
* And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays *and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. * I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. * I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
* * My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

Brian,
Paul Remde has huge amounts of information on his website regarding
PDAs, software, etc. Start he

http://cumulus-soaring.com/pda.htm

I'm a big fan of the Hp3870 with a cheap Bluetooth GPS, and XCSoar. I
recently purchased a lot of 5 PDAs for $110.00 including shipping.
New Batteries were required for all but one, at around another $20.00
each. XCSoar is probably not a good match for what you want to do.

Don't overlook the iPhone and an app called SkyCharts. Maps are
downloaded so they are local and no carrier connection is needed. GPS
shows where you are, and clicking on an airport shows it's details.
the iPhone is a whole lot more processor than the typical PDA, so
loading is fast, and you can zoom/pan, etc. with ease. cockpit
readability is good in daylight and at night, and there are a variety
of car cradles that could be modified for aircraft use. GPS should
work, even in "Airplane" mode.

Matt

Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:27 pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

Brian,
Paul Remde has huge amounts of information on his website regarding
PDAs, software, etc. Start he

http://cumulus-soaring.com/pda.htm

I'm a big fan of the Hp3870 with a cheap Bluetooth GPS, and XCSoar. I
recently purchased a lot of 5 PDAs for $110.00 including shipping.
New Batteries were required for all but one, at around another $20.00
each. XCSoar is probably not a good match for what you want to do.

Thanks for the URL. I see that XCSoar is specialized for energy reserve
and distance to run - not the same parameters I look for but the same
approach no doubt. I bought a GPS equipped PDA - the Garmin iQue
M5 (416MHz core 64MB RAM/64MB ROM) which I see is one of the targets of
Navzilla (and I expect other) moving map/HSI apps - but I am already
finding the soaring input is paying off: using an auto mirror mount
rather than a bulky plastic RAM mount makes sense to me.


Brian W

On Dec 15, 5:27*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am....

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
* And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays *and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. * I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. * I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
* * My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

WinPilot has a VFR program. I don't know anything about it, but you
can find it (and a demo) at www.craggyaero.com.

It's $200. Throw in a PDA and gps card and you would still be under
$500. You might do better finding a used aviation gps on ebay.

If inexpensive is your main interest... you can find free soaring
software that will do the things you mentioned and gps card and pda
would be easily under $300. If you can live with soaring software...
Paul Remde's site is very good.

"brian whatcott" wrote in message
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Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
On Dec 15, 2:27 pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I
am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to
steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

Brian,
Paul Remde has huge amounts of information on his website regarding
PDAs, software, etc. Start he

http://cumulus-soaring.com/pda.htm

I'm a big fan of the Hp3870 with a cheap Bluetooth GPS, and XCSoar. I
recently purchased a lot of 5 PDAs for $110.00 including shipping.
New Batteries were required for all but one, at around another $20.00
each. XCSoar is probably not a good match for what you want to do.

Thanks for the URL. I see that XCSoar is specialized for energy reserve
and distance to run - not the same parameters I look for but the same
approach no doubt. I bought a GPS equipped PDA - the Garmin iQue
M5 (416MHz core 64MB RAM/64MB ROM) which I see is one of the targets of
Navzilla (and I expect other) moving map/HSI apps - but I am already
finding the soaring input is paying off: using an auto mirror mount rather
than a bulky plastic RAM mount makes sense to me.


Brian W

Being open source, XCSoar could be made to do anything you want (if you are
capable of re-writing bits of it, of course!), but even as it stands the
display can be reconfigured so that it loses the gliding specific stuff and
keeps the 'normal' navigation stuff.
I use it in this way (as a non-soaring pilot), displaying Ground Speed, ETE,
ETA, CTS etc.

Dixie Sierra wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:27 pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

WinPilot has a VFR program. I don't know anything about it, but you
can find it (and a demo) at www.craggyaero.com.

It's $200. Throw in a PDA and gps card and you would still be under
$500. You might do better finding a used aviation gps on ebay.

If inexpensive is your main interest... you can find free soaring
software that will do the things you mentioned and gps card and pda
would be easily under $300. If you can live with soaring software...
Paul Remde's site is very good.


WinPilot. Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look...
While looking for a straight PDA I landed a GPS equiped version called
iQue from Garmin - an M5. Compatible aviation apps is now the name
of the game....

Brian W

Peter Wyld wrote:


Being open source, XCSoar could be made to do anything you want (if you are
capable of re-writing bits of it, of course!), but even as it stands the
display can be reconfigured so that it loses the gliding specific stuff and
keeps the 'normal' navigation stuff.
I use it in this way (as a non-soaring pilot), displaying Ground Speed, ETE,
ETA, CTS etc.


Well, well! More interesting than I realised....must take a look.

Thanks

Brian W

Hi Brian,

If the M5 is a Microsoft Windows CE platform (some Garmin iQues were Palm
devices) then you should be set in regard to hardware.

I love soaring software and use it all the time, but I think for use in an
airplane you will be happier with a general aviation product such as
Anywhere Map. Soaring software is pretty focused on final glides - which
you won't need as much as we do - until your engine quits... Also, soaring
software doesn't usually show how far you are off your track because gliders
often wander off track to find the best lift.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"brian whatcott" wrote in message
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Dixie Sierra wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:27 pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I
am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to
steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

WinPilot has a VFR program. I don't know anything about it, but you
can find it (and a demo) at www.craggyaero.com.

It's $200. Throw in a PDA and gps card and you would still be under
$500. You might do better finding a used aviation gps on ebay.

If inexpensive is your main interest... you can find free soaring
software that will do the things you mentioned and gps card and pda
would be easily under $300. If you can live with soaring software...
Paul Remde's site is very good.


WinPilot. Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look...
While looking for a straight PDA I landed a GPS equiped version called
iQue from Garmin - an M5. Compatible aviation apps is now the name of
the game....

Brian W

On Dec 16, 4:11*am, brian whatcott wrote:
Dixie Sierra wrote:
On Dec 15, 5:27 pm, brian whatcott wrote:
I know it sounds unlikely for someone seeking to put a yoke mount moving
map in his 150 to be seeking advice from a soaring group, but here I am...

I have a whole lot of sales resistance to the Garmin 626's or whatever
of this world, that go for prices in four places of digits.
* And the current run of aviation GPSs all seem high...

But then, I searched on moving map displays *and Bingo! plenty of better
priced hits. * I was specially interested to read that sailplane
enthusiasts have been using PDAs with aviation apps loaded for a while
now. * I read about Anywhere Map, and one or two others.
* * My interest is the one finger selection of a destination airfield
with distance to go, cross track error, and heading and bearing to steer.

Any useful tips??

Thanks in advance
Brian W

WinPilot has a VFR program. I don't know anything about it, but you
can find it (and a demo) atwww.craggyaero.com.

It's $200. Throw in a PDA and gps card and you would still be under
$500. You might do better finding a used aviation gps on ebay.

If inexpensive is your main interest... you can find free soaring
software that will do the things you mentioned and gps card and pda
would be easily under $300. If you can live with soaring software...
Paul Remde's site is very good.

WinPilot. Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look...
While looking for a straight PDA I landed a GPS equiped version called
iQue from Garmin - *an M5. * *Compatible aviation apps is now the name
of the game....

Brian W- Hide quoted text -

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Brian,

I am the WinPilot dealer for the US and provide sales and support.

http://www.craggyaero.com/WinPilot.htm

Yoke Mount options, cradles and power converter also available.

http://www.craggyaero.com/pdam.htm

Give me a call if you want to talk about systems for VFR.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com