President Bush is a Miserable Failure

I'm such a leftist that I
joined the Marine Corps.

I doubt that.

Of course you do. But I am a Viet Nam Era (I didn't go to Virt Nam however)
and a veteran of Desert Storm. I served in the Marine Detachment on U.S.S.
Simon Lake, and in the 6th, 8th and 24th marine Regiments.

I don't have to prove my bona fides to you, nor does it take a veteran to know
that George Bush Jr is a miserable failure.



Walt

A startling military success?

Only a blinded partisan fool can't see this...

You do recall Vice President Cheney saying we
would be met as liberators, right?

What has this to do with anything?

We have @ 750 KIA.

Really, you are getting so over the top ridiculous you can just about be
ignored; on the other hand, it is fun to pick at you.

The Bush administration policies are a miserable failure.We're discussing
fatalities here, not
pardades [sic].

We certainly are, @ 750 of them.



For what its worth, in a great part of Iraq, even today, we are
treated like liberators.

Irrelevent. There is no one to turn over the governmet to -- Bremer said that
a couple of weeks ago. The place is a money pit; the infrastructure is being
sabotage, I could go on and on.

Your problem is, all of your knowledge about Iraq
comes from CNN, NBC etc. Try finding someone who has actually been there.

I was on Desert Storm myself.

Even
the guys in the hot spots will tell you those hot spots are compareably
small.

Our guys are dying every day.

Walt

On 11 May 2004 06:55:33 GMT, (WalterM140) wrote:


We shouldn't be there at all.

1000 KIA is a grotesque disaster.


Oh puhleeze get a grip, come back and make that statement when you find out
how many were KIA on the 1st day of the Somme or at Omaha Beach before
emoting such piffle in future.




greg

--
"vying with Platt for the largest gap
between capability and self perception"

From: (WalterM140)

How narrow minded.
It is quite possible for an individual to criticize the policies of a
Republican regime without being a "lefty" or a "commie" or a Democrat and
that criticism doesn't infer revelry at the death of U.S. soldiers.

BUFDRVR is practically a shill for the Bush adminstration/apparatus. This
demonization of their opponents is a technique straight from Nazi Germany.

Walt

Walt, all sides do it. Watch what happens when someone questions Kerry's voting
record in congress. Most of his flunkies will scream his patriotism is being
questioned and then bring up his Viet Nam service. The same will happen if you
ask him to explain his contradictory stories about the medals he threw over the
fence.

I don't like to see any side of a political issue or moral issue get
interviewed live. Straight answers are rarely forthcoming and agendas are
pushed. Out of half an hour you may get 2 minutes of value.

Only in politics can reducing an increase be referred to as a cut. Only in
politics can eliminating tax breaks not be considered an increase in taxes.

The shame of it is arguments rarely get beyond "your side is wrong and is going
to ruin the country."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (WalterM140)

snip

The place is a money pit; the infrastructure is being
sabotage, I could go on and on.

snip

Our guys are dying every day.

Walt

I agree it's not running right, but what if we pulled out. Lat's say we set a
date of 1 September. What do we say to the men who will die between now and
then? What do we say to the families of the men who will have died? Do we
slink out like hyenas as we did when Clinton pulled up stakes? What do we say
to the Iraqis we promised to help? Do we say we rebuilt your powergrids to
before war levels, we have installed sewer systems where they weren't before,
rebuilt schools and they should be happy with that? What do we say to all the
GIs who did their level best to do their jobs for nothing?

Would you rather an armistice as in Korea where the grand children of the men
who fought and died in that war are still guarding the border?

You have called Bush names and criticized his policies. Anyone can complain.
OK, you have complained, now what are your solutions?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

WalterM140 Wrote:

I'm such a leftist that I
joined the Marine Corps.

I doubt that.

Of course you do.

You're right, your lack of knowledge about command responsibility cast doubt on
your claim to have ever served.

But I am a Viet Nam Era (I didn't go to Virt Nam however)
and a veteran of Desert Storm.

So now not only are you a veteran, but retired as well?

I don't have to prove my bona fides to you, nor does it take a veteran to
know
that George Bush Jr is a miserable failure.

You are nothing more than ignorant leftist troll. You and the loons on the far
right are ruining this newsgroup and this country, and seem quite proud of
both. Go away troll.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

WalterM140 wrote:

BUFDRVR is practically a shill for the Bush adminstration/apparatus.

You ignorant troll, if I were a "shill" for anyone then I would be right there
with you begining threads like "John Kerry is insert insult here" . I have
not done that you loon, however you have, more than once.

This
demonization of their opponents is a technique straight from Nazi Germany.

I don't demonize you because you're a left wing zelot, I do it because you're a
fake and a troll.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

WalterM140 wrote:

We shouldn't be there at all.

Says the leftists troll.

1000 KIA is a grotesque disaster.

Only to a leftist troll.

If you had any real military experience you
would acknowledge that.

I was a company commander on Desert Storm.


So you were nearing 20 years (retirement) and were only a Captain?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

WalterM140 wrote:

We have @ 750 KIA.

You keep spouting this, but it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Really, you are getting so over the top ridiculous you can just about be
ignored

If you believe touting 750 KIA in one year of combat as a success is ridiculous
then I suggest you hide in a closet if Korea ever kicks off, because we'll
suffer that many in a week there.

on the other hand, it is fun to pick at you.

You're a leftist troll, as bothersome and ignorant as some of the righty trolls
we get in here. Just go away troll.

For what its worth, in a great part of Iraq, even today, we are
treated like liberators.

Irrelevent.

Only to a leftist troll who chooses to ignore the success in Iraq.

Your problem is, all of your knowledge about Iraq
comes from CNN, NBC etc. Try finding someone who has actually been there.

I was on Desert Storm myself.

First of all, I doubt you were "on" Desert Storm, second so what? Desert Storm
and Iraqi Freedom are not compareable. You occupied (actually, you didn't but
real Marines did) Kuwait, do you really think that's compareable to occupying
Iraq? Of course you do because you were never a Marine and haven't a clue about
military matters.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

HOLY COW! I about spit coke all over my screen on this one! Mr Walt...You
get funnier with each post! Company Commander. Yah, right. That was a
good one.

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...
We have 760 KIA now. What's your best guess on the final number of KIA
before
the -whole- country is pacified?

Walt


I have no idea, but less than 1000 KIA to invade, defeat and occupy a
country
for 1 year is unbelievably low

We shouldn't be there at all.

1000 KIA is a grotesque disaster.

If you had any real military experience you
would acknowledge that.

I was a company commander on Desert Storm.

Walt