President Bush is a Miserable Failure

WalterM140 wrote:

Al Quaida is in Afghanistan. Now all the Army that can be spared is in the
wrong place.

The force size in Afghanistan is the same as it would have been had Saddam
still been in power like you guys want. If you had any clue about the military
you would know this.

It's been well shown that Iraq under Saddam was no threat to us

Well shown? Hardly.

It's also been shown that the Bushies planned to invade Iraq even before
9/11.


A military plan existed prior to the actual operation? Say it ain't so....

All Bush did was update *Clinton's* Iraq OPLAN. Oh, I'm sorry you did know that
Clinton "planned to invade Iraq" too?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

WalterM140 wrote:

snip critiques of U.S. military moves

It's just another maladroit maneuver by the Bushies that will lead to more of
our guys getting killed.

Once again your lack of knowledge about anything military shines. These "bad"
decisions were made by both combatant commanders (CDRUSCENTCOM and JTF-7
Commander) in the region and not by anyone above their paygrade. Bush, like
Clinton and his father before him has not involved himself in the battlefield
tactical decisions.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

George Z. Bush wrote:

That would be because of more incompetence by the Bushies.

I hate to disagree with you, but it wouldn't matter who took that job
on......they'd clean our clocks because they have a helluva lot more boots on
the ground than we have and nukes as well, so we wouldn't be able to use our
with any confidence.

No George, according to Walt, no matter if a democrat were in the White House
for 12 years proceeding the nK invasion, it would be the fault of the
Republicans. He's already stated as much.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: (BUFDRVR)


WalterM140 wrote:


It's also been shown that the Bushies planned to invade Iraq even before
9/11.


A military plan existed prior to the actual operation? Say it ain't so....

All Bush did was update *Clinton's* Iraq OPLAN. Oh, I'm sorry you did know
that
Clinton "planned to invade Iraq" too?


BUFDRVR


I guess some people don't know there are people in the Pentagon whose sole
function is to prepare contingency and/or invasion plans just in case the
president asks for them. I would not be surprised if there weren't plans in
existance to invade Andorra, Canada, Mexico..etc.

If Clinton, Bush or whomever did NOT have such plans on the shelf then they
should have been fired.

I guess what I am saying is Bush had plans for Iraq long before 9/11, but so
did Clinton, Bush the Elder, Reagan and so on.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 5/12/2004 3:43 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

George Z. Bush wrote:

Hey, you don't need to post your bona fides.

His posted it George because its bogus. I know there have been some 20 year
O-3s, but are you trying to tell me we've actually met one here and he was a
Marine?

Doubtful.


Never heard of prior enlisted?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

wrote:

Never heard of prior enlisted?

Yes I have and if he was USAF I wouldn't have batted an eye lash, but a 38 year
old Marine Infantry Company Commander seems unlikely to me. I'm playing golf
tommorow with a Paris Island D.I., I'll ask how many prior service guys they
have running infantry companies. Then I'll ask if he ever ran into one on the
verge of retirement.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

It's been well shown that Iraq under Saddam was no threat to us

Well shown? Hardly.


Yes, extensively.

It's also been shown that the Bushies planned to invade Iraq even before
9/11.



A military plan existed prior to the actual operation? Say it ain't so....


Bush planned to invade Iraq because this is a war for Oil.

All Bush did was update *Clinton's* Iraq OPLAN. Oh, I'm sorry you did know
that
Clinton "planned to invade Iraq" too?

Proof? I thought weinie Clinton only fired cruise missiles?

Walt

It's just another maladroit maneuver by the Bushies that will lead to more
of
our guys getting killed.

Once again your lack of knowledge about anything military shines.

I know a lot about the military. But you don't have to know much about the
military to know that the Bush administration has screwed up the war, even if
you bought their premise.

These "bad"
decisions were made by both combatant commanders (CDRUSCENTCOM and JTF-7
Commander) in the region and not by anyone above their paygrade.

You can try and show that. Common sense will tell someone it's not true.

Bush, like
Clinton and his father before him has not involved himself in the battlefield
tactical decisions.

As we know, Bush is ultimately responsible what is done or not done.

Walt

From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 5/12/2004 3:43 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

George Z. Bush wrote:


Hey, you don't need to post your bona fides.

His posted it George because its bogus. I know there have been some 20 year
O-3s, but are you trying to tell me we've actually met one here and he was a
Marine?

The C.O. of the Marine Detachment on the U.S.S. Simon Lake when I was there was
a 20 year captain - Captain Howard Lovingood, and so was his relief, Captain
Walter Peoples. They both retired as Majors.



Doubtful.


Never heard of prior enlisted?


I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1973. That's how I got be a Viet Nam Era
veteran. Anyone who served more than 180 days prior to sometime in 1975 makes
the cut. I actually narrowly missed going to Viet Nam anyway. Most of the
Marines in my class at Infantry Training School were in the MAU (now called
MEU's) that evacuated Saigon in the spring of 1975. I got orders to Sea School
Atlantic and then to the Marine Detachment on the U.S.S. Simon Lake, so I
missed that show.

I was a rifle company commander in the 24th Marine Regiment on Desert Storm, as
I said. That's the reserve unit in Nashville.

Walt

Never heard of prior enlisted?

Yes I have and if he was USAF I wouldn't have batted an eye lash, but a 38
year
old Marine Infantry Company Commander seems unlikely to me.

In 1991 I was 36 years old. And I did serve four years as an enlisted Marine on
sea duty and in the 8th Marine regiment.

I haven't seen much from you to show your background. You don't seem to know
much about command responsibility, that's for sure, or they teach it
differently in the Air Force.

As I indicated, it was nice to hear the editors of the Military Times say
pretty much what I said.
I'm playing golf
tommorow with a Paris Island D.I., I'll ask how many prior service guys they
have running infantry companies. Then I'll ask if he ever ran into one on the
verge of retirement.


Ask him about limited duty officers. I worked for two: Captain Howard
Lovingood and Captain Walter Peoples.

See if this link comes up. It's my profile on Freerepublic.com

http://www.freerepublic.com/~whiskeypapa/

Walt