I Need To Know

wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of time to spare.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
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Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over 100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly is a "soaring safari" ;^)

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of time to spare.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over 100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly is a "soaring safari" ;^)
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
Eric, you do not fly in one place, you fly all over and move around, therefore Safari. Bob

wrote on 3/31/2021 4:43 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of time to spare.


Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over 100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly is a "soaring safari" ;^)
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
Eric, you do not fly in one place, you fly all over and move around, therefore Safari. Bob

A hike around and back to camp is not a safari, and neither is flying around and landing where
you started. Have you ever been on a glider safari? They are a lot of fun! And they are a
different experience from flying from the same airport, day after day. I've flown safaris with
groups, and by myself (with my wife bringing the motorhome and trailer!). It's easier to do it
with a motorglider, but it works just fine with a towplane, too.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 10:17:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 4:43 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 7:35:14 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of time to spare.

Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over 100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly is a "soaring safari" ;^)
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
Eric, you do not fly in one place, you fly all over and move around, therefore Safari. Bob

A hike around and back to camp is not a safari, and neither is flying around and landing where
you started. Have you ever been on a glider safari? They are a lot of fun! And they are a
different experience from flying from the same airport, day after day. I've flown safaris with
groups, and by myself (with my wife bringing the motorhome and trailer!). It's easier to do it
with a motorglider, but it works just fine with a towplane, too.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
I was on a Safari in Africa where we had a base camp and came back to that location every night, pretty much the same as the soaring safari that we just completed here in Vero Beach. I guess the motor glider reference has you spinning,

wrote on 3/31/2021 7:26 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 10:17:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 4:43 PM:
,,,

A hike around and back to camp is not a safari, and neither is flying around and landing where
you started. Have you ever been on a glider safari? They are a lot of fun! And they are a
different experience from flying from the same airport, day after day. I've flown safaris with
groups, and by myself (with my wife bringing the motorhome and trailer!). It's easier to do it
with a motorglider, but it works just fine with a towplane, too.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
I was on a Safari in Africa where we had a base camp and came back to that location every night, pretty much the same as the soaring safari that we just completed here in Vero Beach. I guess the motor glider reference has you spinning,

We're talking glider safaris here. No one drives to the airport thinking they are going on a
safari! It always means traveling along to different places to fly, and that's what I thought
you meant when you first began talking about it, and was surprised when all the flying was at
the same place. What you did is very good, but it's better called a "soaring camp/encampment".
If I were within a couple driving days, I'd like attend your camp, but I'd drive 3 days to
attend if it were safari.

Your motorglider references do seem egregious, but I'd still be willing to attend if I lived
closer :^)

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:06:57 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 7:26 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 10:17:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 4:43 PM:
,,,

A hike around and back to camp is not a safari, and neither is flying around and landing where
you started. Have you ever been on a glider safari? They are a lot of fun! And they are a
different experience from flying from the same airport, day after day. I've flown safaris with
groups, and by myself (with my wife bringing the motorhome and trailer!). It's easier to do it
with a motorglider, but it works just fine with a towplane, too.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
I was on a Safari in Africa where we had a base camp and came back to that location every night, pretty much the same as the soaring safari that we just completed here in Vero Beach. I guess the motor glider reference has you spinning,

We're talking glider safaris here. No one drives to the airport thinking they are going on a
safari! It always means traveling along to different places to fly, and that's what I thought
you meant when you first began talking about it, and was surprised when all the flying was at
the same place. What you did is very good, but it's better called a "soaring camp/encampment".
If I were within a couple driving days, I'd like attend your camp, but I'd drive 3 days to
attend if it were safari.

Your motorglider references do seem egregious, but I'd still be willing to attend if I lived
closer :^)
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

We would love to have you attend our Soaring Safari, already making plans for 2022 that will make our safari an even more successful event. We are considering putting motorgliders in a separate class and scoring more points for the purist, seems like the only logical thing to do, what would be your suggestion?
One of the participants of our Soaring Safari had engine problems and could not launch, I came to the rescue of the motorglider and towed the motorglider with my Pawnee, I even took my GoPro with me so that I could get a video of me towing a motorglider, what a beautiful sight!
Thank you very much for the kind words regarding our Soaring Safari, I would encourage all clubs to set a date each year for such an event. I guess we can all agree on one thing and that is, soaring needs a boost. Our boost came from our Soaring Safari, what it did was bring new members into our club and sport, you should have been there each day especially on weekends to see cars along the road as people were enjoying the sights and sounds of sailplane activity. We set up a picnic area with a great safe view of the flight line for people to enjoy the activity, it worked and most every seat was occupied. so let me close by saying that the TCSC Soaring Safari was the most successful event that our club has ever undertaken and the most rewarding financially for our club, what started as a funny suggestion turned out to be very rewarding.

wrote on 4/1/2021 4:49 AM:
We would love to have you attend our Soaring Safari, already making plans for 2022 that will make our safari an even more successful event. We are considering putting motorgliders in a separate class and scoring more points for the purist, seems like the only logical thing to do, what would be your suggestion?

Whatever seems to bring the most entrants, I think. Glider attributes, including motors,
wingspan, flaps, design year, etc all affect the performance, and the trick is to sort them
into classes the pilots find most enjoyable. For the ASA motorglider camp at Parowan each year,
we just use the OLC scoring for the "contest" portion of the event.

One of the participants of our Soaring Safari had engine problems and could not launch, I came to the rescue of the motorglider and towed the motorglider with my Pawnee, I even took my GoPro with me so that I could get a video of me towing a motorglider, what a beautiful sight!

Some of us own motorgliders to "rescue" ourselves when the towplane has an engine problem and
can not launch. Or the towpilot can't fly that day. Note that not all motorgliders are
self-launchers, and our sustainer equipped brethren still need towplanes and towpilots (or
winches, auto tows, bungeys, whatever :^). And, as I've mentioned before, if you can get a
launch where and when you want one, a sustainer glider is the best of both worlds.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

I would agree with Bob that it is a safari to those who travel to get
there. Not for Bob.

Eric, you'll be on safari when you come to Moriarty.

But my best safari memories are of when my partner and I took our LS-6a,
a trailer, and a 1,000' rope and hit the road. We swapped off, flying
straight out one day and driving the car and trailer in pursuit the next
day, rinse and repeat. I don't think we ever launched where tows were
available except for Day1 leaving home base.

Dan
5J

On 3/31/21 5:35 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7,
wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share
his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two
words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about
his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of
time to spare.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an
old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over
100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was
one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better
behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could
help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly
is a "soaring safari" ;^)

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 11:04:18 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
I would agree with Bob that it is a safari to those who travel to get
there. Not for Bob.

Eric, you'll be on safari when you come to Moriarty.

But my best safari memories are of when my partner and I took our LS-6a,
a trailer, and a 1,000' rope and hit the road. We swapped off, flying
straight out one day and driving the car and trailer in pursuit the next
day, rinse and repeat. I don't think we ever launched where tows were
available except for Day1 leaving home base.

Dan
5J
On 3/31/21 5:35 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7,
wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share
his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two
words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about
his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of
time to spare.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an
old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over
100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was
one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better
behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could
help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly
is a "soaring safari" ;^)

That must have been a grand adventure!

Moriarty will be one flying stop of about 5 during my trip, so I will definitely be "on safari"
when I get to Moriarty. If all I did was go to Moriarty to fly for a while, then returned home,
I would not think I'd been on a safari.

I have never heard a glider pilot use the term "safari" when going to an airport to fly (well,
except for Bob :^), or when flying in a contest! And, if it's "travel" that makes it a safari,
how much "travel" is required? 10 miles? 100 miles? An overnight stay to get there?


Mike Carris wrote on 4/1/2021 10:29 AM:
On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 11:04:18 AM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:
I would agree with Bob that it is a safari to those who travel to get
there. Not for Bob.

Eric, you'll be on safari when you come to Moriarty.

But my best safari memories are of when my partner and I took our LS-6a,
a trailer, and a 1,000' rope and hit the road. We swapped off, flying
straight out one day and driving the car and trailer in pursuit the next
day, rinse and repeat. I don't think we ever launched where tows were
available except for Day1 leaving home base.

Dan
5J
On 3/31/21 5:35 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/31/2021 12:02 PM:
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:51:23 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 3/30/2021 8:12 PM:
On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 2:41:59 PM UTC-7,
wrote:
Is Kabatoff a motor glider guy?

Just another poster to RAS that knows everything and has to share
his knowledge with the rest of us.

Steve

ANd pretty much anywhere else there isn't a moderator. Google the two
words "Kabatoff" and
"penis" for a very lengthy list of places he posts.

So, Bob, I suggest you contact him directly, and let us know about
his choice of aircraft. Or
answer his posts on every group he posts on, if you have (a lot) of
time to spare.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


Eric, wish I did have more time but the Mango orchard is making me an
old man, too much work and not enough play, although I did make over
100 tows at the club this month. From his post I could swear he was
one of those motor glider guys, a real purist would be much better
behaved. Maybe he should go visit nurse Ratched, certainly she could
help the old guy.

Let's go back to discussing people who think staying in one place to fly
is a "soaring safari" ;^)

That must have been a grand adventure!



--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1