We Are All Spaniards

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

_NOBODY_ EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION!!!

*finally*... gosh I was waiting for it...

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is
surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are
fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are
fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion
to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our
weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

in article Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck at
wrote on 3/24/04 9:04 AM:

No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way that
cannot be measured.

What is it about the Spanish elections that confuses people so? Everyting
about them is perfectly rational.

The leaders of Spain, much like our own leaders, told their people that
sending troops to Iraq and defeating Saddam Hussein would help keep them
safe from Al Qaida. After having sent troops to Iraq, and subsequently
suffering a terrorist attack from Al Qaida that was roughly equivalent to
the 9-11 attacks in terms of percentage of the population killed, the
Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once ruled
the seas, and much of the world.

How many decades hence will historians be saying the same thing about the
U.S? In our lifetimes? In a hundred years? Empires have never lasted, and
they never will. It's a simple and unavoidable fact.

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 7:14 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

I think the point here is that perhaps we shouldn't dismiss someone's
opinion based on information that we simply don't have. Remember the little
conversation we had about classifying opinions we disagree with as
"tantrums"?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

Why is it that when I hear "logically" and "people" in the same
sentence I have to repress a snort? Oh well. The questions that
the "Spanish people" should have asked themselves a-

1) Will withdrawal from the coalition make us safer from Al Qaida
blackmail or not, especially since we have outposts in Morocco
and OBL has claimed us as the lost Moorish land of Andalusia?

2) If everyone withdrew from the coalition, what will happen to
Iraq?

3) Why should Britain and the US lift a finger in future to help
us if we pull out of the coalition and insult them at the same time?

Someone should have explained to them exactly what they were
voting for.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
news:BC879450.CFBD3%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from
their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current
war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

I think the point here is that perhaps we shouldn't dismiss someone's
opinion based on information that we simply don't have. Remember the
little
conversation we had about classifying opinions we disagree with as
"tantrums"?

Dismissing a difference of (well founded) opinion and dismissing a tantrum
are two VERY different things. Someone comes off as a whiney brat and one
really doesn't give a damn what they opinion is. Unsubstantiated claims,
logical fallacies are bad enough, but the tantrums come when someone starts
seeing they're LOSING..particularly a cherished belief (i.e., a security
blanket). You do know the difference, I'd imagine, so don't patronize, okay?


For example, there's been a bunch of stories about people in Iraq that lost
loved ones in the war and are still grateful to see Saddam ousted.

Another example would be to look up the story of the farmer whose family
members were killed in an accidental bombing my Lt. George McGovern during
the later days of WW2. They managed to talk some 30 -35 years later and the
conversation is amazing. Look it up!

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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What is it about the Spanish elections that confuses people so? Everyting
about them is perfectly rational.

The leaders of Spain, much like our own leaders, told their people that
sending troops to Iraq and defeating Saddam Hussein would help keep them
safe from Al Qaida.

Is that what they told them? If they did, they were patently NUTS! Anyone
who gets to the top of a country and spouts such drivel deserves to lose.

After having sent troops to Iraq, and subsequently
suffering a terrorist attack from Al Qaida that was roughly equivalent to
the 9-11 attacks in terms of percentage of the population killed, the
Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

Boy, those Spaniards must believe in the tooth fairy as well.

How many decades hence will historians be saying the same thing about the
U.S? In our lifetimes? In a hundred years? Empires have never lasted, and
they never will. It's a simple and unavoidable fact.

Nice non-sequitur.

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...

Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to
Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe
from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

Why is it that when I hear "logically" and "people" in the same
sentence I have to repress a snort? Oh well. The questions that
the "Spanish people" should have asked themselves a-

1) Will withdrawal from the coalition make us safer from Al Qaida
blackmail or not, especially since we have outposts in Morocco
and OBL has claimed us as the lost Moorish land of Andalusia?

2) If everyone withdrew from the coalition, what will happen to
Iraq?

3) Why should Britain and the US lift a finger in future to help
us if we pull out of the coalition and insult them at the same time?

Someone should have explained to them exactly what they were
voting for.

A few days before the election, the old party was well out in front in the
polls. Doesn't sound like they were ****ed off to me.

(I wouldn't put it past the socialists to have planted the bomb).

Evidently the Spanish DO live in LaLa land!!

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is
surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are
fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are
fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion
to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our
weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

"Weeeee....are the knights who say....NEEEK!"
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Why is it that people of your ilk can't seem to discuss world events
like
gentlemen?

Maybe because some of the other worldly people in this group get fed up
with watching some of you Americans discuss it like assholes.

"Worldly" people needn't resort to name-calling -- the last refuge of the
incompetent.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"