Aerobatics books (Bertie, Dudley)

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote in news:7c25cff70aaec@uwe:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Wiliams book is worth buying just for his account of how he landed a
Zlin 526 with a broken wing spar that only allowed him to fly inverted!
Absolutely awe inspiring stuff.

Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones


Yeah, he had very little choice. That's some bit of flying, too. Imagine,
an outside barrel roll, maintainting negative G the whole way and having to
put it down at exactly the moment you ran out of manuever and altitude
simultaneously.
Mindblowing.


Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

Yeah, he had very little choice. That's some bit of flying, too. Imagine,
an outside barrel roll, maintainting negative G the whole way and having to
put it down at exactly the moment you ran out of manuever and altitude
simultaneously.
Mindblowing.


Steel cojones -- no choice. But someone without steel down there might
have just let go of the stick and died. (What's that psych problem,
"resignation"? Williams had nothing but antidote for that.)

The sheer presence of mind to think about a previous incident and
REALIZING that it was the same problem but inverted, and doing that in
a matter of seconds and rolling over to save your azz, and all the
other stuff -- Mindblowing.

Gives you hope if you're knocked upside down on short final by wake
turbulence -- hell it makes that seem like a relatively small
problem!!!

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http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

Yeah, he had very little choice. That's some bit of flying, too.
Imagine, an outside barrel roll, maintainting negative G the whole
way and having to put it down at exactly the moment you ran out of
manuever and altitude simultaneously.
Mindblowing.


Steel cojones -- no choice. But someone without steel down there might
have just let go of the stick and died. (What's that psych problem,
"resignation"? Williams had nothing but antidote for that.)

The sheer presence of mind to think about a previous incident and
REALIZING that it was the same problem but inverted, and doing that in
a matter of seconds and rolling over to save your azz, and all the
other stuff -- Mindblowing.

Gives you hope if you're knocked upside down on short final by wake
turbulence -- hell it makes that seem like a relatively small
problem!!!



It is a relatively small problem if you've had any aerobatic training
and you have a bit of altitude.
Unless you cross it at a right angle and it's fresh and you're going
fast enough to do some damage.

This all asumes a light plane and something large enough to upset you
badly, say something over 25,000 lbs, though anything will give you some
lumps if you get close enough.

If you're flying parallel, more or less, to the other aircraft, what's
going to happen is you're going to roll and you're going to roll very
quickly. This roll will be smooth but extemly fast.
Unless your own airplane has a fantastic roll rate, you're going to be
on your back and nose down and probably out of the wake before you even
know what's happened.
The vortice is relatively smooth, as is the resultant roll, but it's
action is extremely strong, so the best course out of it is to allow it
to eject you this way (it's not like you get a choice here, BTW) and
then recover from the resulting upset in the most convienient fashion.
e.g, roll or split S out of it.
If you are very close to the ground when this happens, you're probably
screwed.
BTW, I'm not even remotely suggesting anyone be cavalier about these
things. They're strong and will roll you over every time and can bust
your airplane on the spot (this is unlikely, unless you're flying lawn
furniture).
I'm assuming an accidental encounter between a large wake and a smaller
aircraft. They do happen. If it happens too low for a recovery you've
ignored all the info that's out there about avoidance. In other words,
you've flown into one from a preceding aircraft taking off or landing.




Bertie

On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Wiliams book is worth buying just for his account of how he landed a
Zlin 526 with a broken wing spar that only allowed him to fly inverted!
Absolutely awe inspiring stuff.

Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

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OK, that is one of the most amazing flying stories I have ever read.
Thanks for posting the link.

Phil

Phil wrote in
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On Dec 3, 1:29 pm, "Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Wiliams book is worth buying just for his account of how he landed a
Zlin 526 with a broken wing spar that only allowed him to fly
inverted! Absolutely awe inspiring stuff.

Bertie

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats...ng_failure.htm

JEEEEZUS....Friggin' steel cojones

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OK, that is one of the most amazing flying stories I have ever read.
Thanks for posting the link.


Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..


Bertie

Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..


CFIT?

wrote in news:950ecf70-cd9b-4922-8a4a-
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Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..


CFIT?


Yep. It happens even to the best of them. Sobering thought, really, that
someone that experienced can make a mistake like that..


Bertie

On Dec 5, 6:16 pm, wrote:
Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..

CFIT?

Controlled Flight Into Terrain.

That really sucks.

Phil

Phil wrote in news:e2fe0061-da0d-4836-9f61-
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On Dec 5, 6:16 pm, wrote:
Unfortunately, Neil Williams was killed a few years later ferrying a
Heinkel 111 from Spain in a stupid CFIT accident. A bit like Frank
Tallman..

CFIT?

Controlled Flight Into Terrain.

That really sucks.

Phil

Oh sorry, I didn;t realise I was being asked what it was!

Bertie

I'm assuming an accidental encounter between a large wake and a smaller
aircraft. They do happen. If it happens too low for a recovery you've
ignored all the info that's out there about avoidance. In other words,
you've flown into one from a preceding aircraft taking off or landing.

Bertie

Damn straight. If they happen to you it is sheer sh1t pantz terror.
Bertie's descriptions are 100% spot on.

I think the FAA should put warnings in big FAT red type in their
publications. The reality is far more threatening than gets drilled
into student pilot's heads.

In her student pilot days my instructor came in for a landing on a
runway parallel to where a big jet had landed a couple minutes before.
While she was still at 400 - 500 feet, I believe, she suddenly found
herself in a knife-edge orientation. She righted herself before really
thinking about it. Jet turbulence had drifted over and got her.

A coworker of mine, a CFI (though no longer current), was on a 737 on
approach as a passenger. He said suddenly the plane was at about 70
degrees or more of bank (actually I think he said 90 but am no longer
sure). The pilot corrected immediately. He said most of the people had
no idea what had happened. There'd been a few gasps but that was it.

On my second solo flight I was doing T&Gs at KAUS (Austin Bergstrom).
My hands and feet and brain were completely occupied just with trying
to land and takeoff correctly. Bad place for a spankin' newbie to
practice. ATC routed me to the 12000 foot runway. As I was downwind
they cleared a 737 to take off. Then when I was abeam the numbers they
cleared a 757 to land. After that ATC cleared me but I extended my
downwind some for what I *thought* was adequate separation & delay. In
theory I might have shot for the space between where the one landed
and the other rotated. In theory I could have asked ATC to extend my
downwind to allow wake turbulence avoidence.

I did neither. Bout 3 minutes after the 757 I landed okay near the
numbers, accelerated and climbed. I was maybe 30 - 40 feet in the air
when a gigantic invisible fist slammed the plane. Nose up, wing over.
It seemed like I saw the top of the sky from the front windshield and
the runway out the right side window. Close -- very close.

I didn't think fear could shoot through the body that fast nor have I
ever so radically and accurately corrected aircraft attitude. I don't
think I lost a single knot.

It was one of those moments where my bag of luck still had something
in it when I sure as hell didn't effectively use my knowledge of wake
avoidance. If the x-wind had been a bit slower and my judgement a
little worse -- presto, upside down and squished or burned to death.
It was a lesson to me I shall not forget -- the scariest of a few I've
had so far.

It's always worth asking ATC for more space / time / altered course if
there's risk of wake turbulence. Landing or taking off behind a single
big jet is one thing. But I will never again accept a clearance to
land in such circumstances (one heavy takes off, another lands, or
vice versa). I'll ask to extend.