CBS "News" strikes AGAIN

Hey listen... Compared to CBS News, my little hyperbolic illustration was
totally within limits!

Besides, even if they make $50K a year, that still pales in comparison to
$100k per episode or per game.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in
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Judah wrote:

That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and celebrities
make $100,000 an episode...

Well, teachers haven't made that little in a LLLOOONNNGGG time! Around
here, the going rate is around 50K for substitutes and over 70K to
start for regulars. By comparison, starting pay for a software
developer with an MS is about 50K.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:19:54 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



Don Tuite wrote:

Is that 70K real dollars or annualized based on 52.5 for nine months?

That's $70,000 per year.

Hummmmm... That's interesting....

Don
(Who's read too many pro-forma financial predictions.)

"Judah" wrote in message
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Hey listen... Compared to CBS News, my little hyperbolic illustration was
totally within limits!

Besides, even if they make $50K a year, that still pales in comparison to
$100k per episode or per game.

Jealous?

Howyd!

In article ,
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Jordan" wrote in message
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If we have to have celebrity endorsement, then our nation is too brain
dead to endure and is finished.

That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and celebrities make
$100,000 an episode...

Teachers hardly make minimun wage. Even if we paid them $100K, they don't
know _how_ to teach (besides being beholden to the unions). Further, even
those who LOVE to teach, still miss HOW the human mind learns and grasps
information in the form of concepts. That's why most all of "education" is
now BY ROTE.

Bull****. You don't even bother to slip in a weasely "most"; you simply
tar all teachers with your calumny.

I won't deny that there are a significant number of teachers whose ability
to teach is questionable, but many teachers actually give a damn about their
students, doing their best to *teach*. Oh, and "rote learning" is not so
nearly ubiquitous as you would claim.

Your tirade is so full of manure that it is laughable -- or would be if
you weren't expressing a range of opinions that are painfully common.

yours,
Michael



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Howdy!

In article ,
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote:
I think our liberal media is chastising the government for not
doing anything so they can chastise them again if they do.

It's got nothing to do with liberal or conservative: Fox was shrieking
as loud as the rest.

Dan, Your capacity for critical thinking and differentiation is
remarkable....when it suits your preconceived notions.

Boy isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, Mr. Teachers-are-
worthless-pieces-of-****. I suppose your opinion here is one of an
expert in the field.

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howyd!

In article ,
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Judah" wrote in message
.. .
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Jordan" wrote in message
...

If we have to have celebrity endorsement, then our nation is too
brain
dead to endure and is finished.

That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and celebrities
make
$100,000 an episode...

Teachers hardly make minimun wage. Even if we paid them $100K, they don't
know _how_ to teach (besides being beholden to the unions). Further, even
those who LOVE to teach, still miss HOW the human mind learns and grasps
information in the form of concepts. That's why most all of "education"
is
now BY ROTE.

Bull****. You don't even bother to slip in a weasely "most"; you simply
tar all teachers with your calumny.

Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're all
in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the young
minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me experience.


I won't deny that there are a significant number of teachers whose ability
to teach is questionable, but many teachers actually give a damn about
their
students, doing their best to *teach*. Oh, and "rote learning" is not so
nearly ubiquitous as you would claim.

"Giving a damn" is completely worthless if they don't know _HOW_ it works.

Your tirade is so full of manure that it is laughable -- or would be if
you weren't expressing a range of opinions that are painfully common.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.


yours,
Michael



Best,

Tom

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Howdy!

In article ,
Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote:
I think our liberal media is chastising the government for not
doing anything so they can chastise them again if they do.

It's got nothing to do with liberal or conservative: Fox was shrieking
as loud as the rest.

Dan, Your capacity for critical thinking and differentiation is
remarkable....when it suits your preconceived notions.

Boy isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, Mr. Teachers-are-
worthless-pieces-of-****. I suppose your opinion here is one of an
expert in the field.

You just validated my position. Thanks!!

Absolutely.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
...
Hey listen... Compared to CBS News, my little hyperbolic illustration
was totally within limits!

Besides, even if they make $50K a year, that still pales in comparison
to $100k per episode or per game.

Jealous?

My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my daughter
will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

Thanks.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in
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"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're
all in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the
young minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me
experience.


I won't deny that there are a significant number of teachers whose
ability to teach is questionable, but many teachers actually give a
damn about their students, doing their best to *teach*. Oh, and "rote
learning" is not so nearly ubiquitous as you would claim.

"Giving a damn" is completely worthless if they don't know _HOW_ it
works.

Your tirade is so full of manure that it is laughable -- or would be
if you weren't expressing a range of opinions that are painfully
common.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.


yours,
Michael



Best,

Tom

"Judah" wrote in message
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My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my
daughter
will start Kindergarden next fall.

Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge
presented to them.

1) Avoid public schools
2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method
3) Find some good material about human epistemology
4) Find some good works on critical thinking
5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation
(note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just
perform memorization)

There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too, that
very little of this material is found in the conventional literature of
education.

If you need some sources, leave you email address.