Call signs

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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:



Maybe you would have had better luck with "Consolidated".

That was used also...you would think the "4-engine bomber" would be a
clue. G

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Dale L. Falk

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as simply messing around with airplanes.

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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, Stubby said:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.


Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.

Jay Honeck wrote:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


Right. A Pathfinder/Dakota cruises more than 20% faster than a Cherokee
140.

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying. If a pilot call in and uses Piper 12345 he
will get asked what type Piper. More than likely it will be a cub. I
care about the speed difference between a cub and a cherokee. Between a
cherokee 235 and a 140 isn't relavant to my planning.

H.P. wrote:

While we're at this, I heard a pilot preface his call sign with "Turkey"
(nnnn). What's that?? Or was I hearing wrong?

No you got that right. He was referring to his low wing.

"Dale" wrote in message
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Don't feel bad. I used to fly a Consolidated B-24J Liberator around the
country. You know, the 4 engine WWII bomber.

Invariably when flying IFR we would be called "Beech" by the
controllers. It seems the Beech Sierra is a "B24".


The Beech Sierra is BE24, B24 is the designator for the Consolidated B-24
Liberator as well as the C-87 and LB-30.

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Maybe you would have had better luck with "Consolidated".


If I received a call from a "Consolidated 224J" I'd have to ask if it was a
Liberator, or a Catalina, or a Privateer, or a Valiant.

"Newps" wrote in message
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They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.


Center guys had the designators changed? Why would they do that?

buttman wrote:
When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet
to witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter
what I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even
tried to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now
use Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

FWIW. I spent 20 years in the Air Force as a pilot. After retiring I got
my civilian ratings. After reading the "instructions", I called myself
"November nnnn" because that's the way it was listed in the "book" (at least
at that time-35 years ago). It took a while, listening to other aircraft
calling in, to find everone was using their aircraft type in lieu of
November.
The instructions (at that time) never said to say type aircraft as your call
sign prefix. I felt rather foolish when I finally realized what was really
being used.

--

Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.


Center guys had the designators changed? Why would they do that?



I thought it was the bloody FRENCH who had the type designators changed, via
ICAO. Right after they got finished butchering our WX format. Apparently,
they don't appreciate the difference between an MD80 and an MD88 (both are
coded MD80), but they do care about the difference between the A320 and
A321...

Chip, ZTL

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.

What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

;-)
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
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