WTB Grob 109 b

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I am looking for a Grob motor glider. Thanks

Why?

I only ask, because I hope you are not in a desert high density altitude
environment.

We had a G109B at our home field, it was worthless in the summer..

BT

"Steve B" wrote in message
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I am looking for a Grob motor glider. Thanks

I am at sea level / Kona Hawaii... I am looking for a way to do some
casual soaring with out aero tow. There are no airfields suitable to
tow or winch. I would like to find a way to do some flying with my
better half so I am looking for a 2 place ship. I have a hangar at
the airport but I am not sure I would want to do a lot of taxing
dragging a wing tip to get out to the runway. I realize the
performance of the 109 b would be very mediocre but it seems like a
way to get a thermal fix with the ability to carry an additional
passenger.

I would appreciate your thoughts on the motor glider as I have never
flown one. I was not aware of an issue with density altitude. Just
want to crank and bank in some lift!

Any recommendations would be welcome.

Steve




BTIZ" wrote in message news:44IRa.8354$Je.567@fed1read04...
Why?

I only ask, because I hope you are not in a desert high density altitude
environment.

We had a G109B at our home field, it was worthless in the summer..

BT

"Steve B" wrote in message
om...
my email address is
I am looking for a Grob motor glider. Thanks

Steve B wrote:

I am at sea level / Kona Hawaii... I am looking for a way to do some
casual soaring with out aero tow.

If soaring is your goal, then you won't be happy with the G109. What
you're looking at is a true motorized glider, such as DG 505, DG 1000 or
the like.

Stefan

they have modified the proposal on the DG1000 to be a sustainer engine only,
and not capable of self launch, at least that's what I think I read.

A G109 is a poor performer for soaring, the gear is set so you will not drag
tips like you would on a DG500/505. But the -109 is workable at sea level
(non high DA) areas in Hawaii.

Another possibility would be the Grob 103 TwinIIIC, or one of those models
does have self launch capability.

Another good possibility for the buck$$ is the Stemme.
Or possibly the ximango http://www.ximangousa.com/

happy hunting
BT

"Stefan" "stefan"@mus. INVALID .ch wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:

I am at sea level / Kona Hawaii... I am looking for a way to do some
casual soaring with out aero tow.

If soaring is your goal, then you won't be happy with the G109. What
you're looking at is a true motorized glider, such as DG 505, DG 1000 or
the like.

Stefan

Are you sure that it was a Grob 109b and not a Grob 109a model that you are
referring to? The "a" model has a lower power engine and a thicker wing
airfoil which does not climb as well as the "b" model. I live in Minden, NV
and own a Grob 109b model. The density altitude runs 7500 feet most of the
summer. The Grob 109b climbs 300 to 400 fpm with full fuel and two aboard.
In addition I usually work thermals during climbout to speed things up until
engine shutdown.
Bud Mears 51
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
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Why?

I only ask, because I hope you are not in a desert high density altitude
environment.

We had a G109B at our home field, it was worthless in the summer..

BT

"Steve B" wrote in message
om...
my email address is
I am looking for a Grob motor glider. Thanks