Bible-beater pilots

L Smith wrote:

Reading this suggests that you are making the assumption that the
suicide bombers
come from the down-trodden, hopeless members of Islamic society. I've
seen several
reports recently, though, that challenge this idea. I don't have any
citations handy, but
from what I remember it's the more affluent segment of the society
that's providing the
zealots.

From what I've read, it's the affluent segment that's providing the money. The
lower classes still provide the bombers. The surviving family of a bomber then
moves into the middle class.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

Jay Honeck wrote:

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

It certainly was!

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:05:14 +0000, Jay Honeck wrote:

Religions must be pragmatic to a certain degree or they will cease to
exist -- and their leaders know it.

You see, that's my point. Why bother to go through the charade of being
pius if you're going to ignore what the scripture says anyhow? Doesn't
that make it a bit hard to stomach?

I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other
women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide
by the covenant?

That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever
happened.

"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message
I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other
women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide
by the covenant?


You are defining marriage by a religiously determined set of rules.
Different marriages, under different or possibly no religion, may have
different customs. Same applies to non marriage related behaviors.

Each individual's belief system should be a private matter. When "church"
officials begin to interpret then demand compliance and the government
supports this is when things get messy.

That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever
happened.

Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was
the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the laws
of the church differently.

For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth
control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from
taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American
"Catholic" women admit to using birth control.

Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" thing
around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even
thought they know about the transgressors.

Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you want
to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the
Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a
"Catholic".

It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized
religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"More and more people are leaving the Church and going back to God."

(Lenny Bruce)


Jim


"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-
-It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from organized
-religion.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:38:47 -0600, "Matthew P. Cummings"
wrote:

That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing ever
happened.

As with so many other things, I have to say that that's a real issue,
but it isn't with my own church.

Rob

"Peter Gottlieb" writes:

"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message
I mean, it's like getting married and continuing to sleep with other
women, I mean why even bother getting married if you're not going to abide
by the covenant?


You are defining marriage by a religiously determined set of rules.

And rules specific to one religion, and not even all branches of that
(remember the Mormons).

Different marriages, under different or possibly no religion, may have
different customs. Same applies to non marriage related behaviors.

Each individual's belief system should be a private matter. When "church"
officials begin to interpret then demand compliance and the government
supports this is when things get messy.

Yep.
--
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Dragaera/Steven Brust: dragaera.info/

Hey, you lemon sucking puke, we ain't all religion nuts.

And that is precisely why you should respect these folks you had a hard time
with - they were at least acting consistently with their religion. Instead
of bad-mouthing them you should recognize at least that they were not being
hypocrites like you feel that all the rest of organized religion.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:vYPxb.338356$HS4.2896996@attbi_s01...
That's what I have against many organized religions, they allow the
membership to break their own covenants and continue on as if nothing
ever
happened.

Agree 100%. In fact, one of the main problems we had with Catholicism was
the fact that every Catholic church in America seemed to interpret the
laws
of the church differently.

For example, if you are Catholic, you are forbidden from using birth
control -- period. No ifs, ands or buts about it, you are FORBIDDEN from
taking the Pill, or using a condom. Yet the vast majority of American
"Catholic" women admit to using birth control.

Worse, the churches themselves do this little "nudge-nudge, wink-wink"
thing
around the issue, allowing their members to continue in the church even
thought they know about the transgressors.

Not that I have anything against birth control -- I don't -- but if you
want
to call yourself a "Catholic", follow their rules. If you want to use the
Pill, fine -- just don't make a sham of the church and call yourself a
"Catholic".

It's this kind of utter hypocrisy that drove Mary and me away from
organized
religion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"