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Private Pilot in 10 days
I just started flying at a school that offers Private Pilot in 10 days. I
plan on taking a bit longer then 10 days but wondered how long the average person takes to complete their PPL? Private Pilot in 10 days http://www.perfectplanes.com/index.html -- Have a good day and stay out of the trees! See ya on Sport Aircraft group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/ Join "The Ultralight & Experimental Aircraft SiteRing" http://pub27.bravenet.com/sitering/a...num=2286862090 |
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I can't believe that anyone can assimilate what it takes to be a safe pilot with good judgment in ten days. At the very least, you need to experience a variety of weather situations. Wouldn't touch this place with the proverbial ten foot pole. Absolutely. There is no way that anyone on Gods green earth can go from zero-time to a private ticket in 10 days (or 30, for that matter), and have that ticket be worth any more than the paper it's printed on. The private ticket is literally the foundation that all other ratings and experience is built upon, and rushing through it is probably the stupidest thing one can do. There are indeed courses that can give you *ratings* in ten days or so, but the PPL is something that you should really immerse yourself in and take your time with. Experience is definately your greatest asset in the air, and while it may *sound* great to be a newly minted pilot in just over a week and be done with it, chances are you'll kill yourself the following week. Any reputable instructor knows this very well. Generally, people average six months to a year to get a private ticket; three to five months if they train intensively (three days or more per week, no break). You just can't squeeze that into 10 days. My guess is that the school is either giving you a radical under-estimate of the required time commitment to get you in the door (not uncommon, but a bit unbelieveable in this case), or really has a 10-day 'crash' program (pun intended) to teach you exactly what to do on your checkride and written, and get you out the door. Either way, I would be VERY VERY wary. "Gilan" wrote in message ... I just started flying at a school that offers Private Pilot in 10 days. I plan on taking a bit longer then 10 days but wondered how long the average person takes to complete their PPL? Private Pilot in 10 days http://www.perfectplanes.com/index.html -- Have a good day and stay out of the trees! See ya on Sport Aircraft group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/ Join "The Ultralight & Experimental Aircraft SiteRing" http://pub27.bravenet.com/sitering/a...num=2286862090 |
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"Gilan" wrote in message ... I just started flying at a school that offers Private Pilot in 10 days. I plan on taking a bit longer then 10 days but wondered how long the average person takes to complete their PPL? Private Pilot in 10 days http://www.perfectplanes.com/index.html -- Have a good day and stay out of the trees! See ya on Sport Aircraft group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/ Join "The Ultralight & Experimental Aircraft SiteRing" http://pub27.bravenet.com/sitering/a...num=2286862090 It took me all summer 10 years ago to get mine. Between weather delays, work schedules, airplane and instructor schedules, etc, it was hard to get more than 3-4 hours a week. I think I had 42-43 hours when I took my check ride. The average is at least 10 hours higher. Early in the process, one hour lessons are the way to go. There is so much to learn, it would be hard to assimilate more than an hour's worth every day or two. Later, especially doing X/C work, multi-hour flights are useful. Most of my flying friends took significantly longer than my 3-4 months to earn their PPL KB |
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I'd be very leary - anything that seems too good to be true, usually is.
"Gilan" wrote in message ... I just started flying at a school that offers Private Pilot in 10 days. I plan on taking a bit longer then 10 days but wondered how long the average person takes to complete their PPL? Private Pilot in 10 days http://www.perfectplanes.com/index.html -- Have a good day and stay out of the trees! See ya on Sport Aircraft group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport_Aircraft/ Join "The Ultralight & Experimental Aircraft SiteRing" http://pub27.bravenet.com/sitering/a...num=2286862090 |
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I think an immersion school that emphasized judgement and drilled into
students how little they really know and how much experience, self training, practice, and additional dual they still need after the checkride could produce pilots who were safer the day after than many FBO products. For marketing reasons, FBO's often give the impression that you graduate as Chuck Yager. Friend o' mine passed his checkride in the morning after a sleepless night. That evening, he took his girlfriend for a night flight in a plane without panel lights and with only the hand mic working. Experienced pilots in our club turned back because of thick haze. While juggling flashlight, mic, sectionals, etc., he flew to a very busy Class B for a touch and go and ended up flattening both mains trying to land and hold short. Gave one set of window seaters in a 777 a real scare. Clearly, there were a few things they didn't cover in his training. That said, my training is recent enough that I can remember some of it. I was always struck by how beneficial the layoff periods were. I would sometimes come back after a month or two of not flying and find that I was doing better than when I stopped. Things seem to settle down and take root. I heard about military studies that showed that the ability to learn new complex tasks drops off dramatically after about 1/2 hour. My experience seemed to support that. Practice is a different dynamic but I think keeping lessons where you are first learning a task should be kept to 1/2 hour. -- -- Roger Long |
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Gilan wrote:
I just started flying at a school that offers Private Pilot in 10 days. I plan on taking a bit longer then 10 days but wondered how long the average person takes to complete their PPL? Doesn't strike me as a smart thing to do in the long run. Nor would I want to fly with a pilot who got his private in 10 days, or one who got his private with the lowest number of hours. I have similar reservations with instrument rating cram courses that proclaim IFR in 7 days. - Slav Inger - PP ASEL IA @ YIP |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:36:02 GMT, "Bob Gardner"
wrote: I can't believe that anyone can assimilate what it takes to be a safe pilot with good judgment in ten days. At the very least, you need to experience a variety of weather situations. Wouldn't touch this place with the proverbial ten foot pole. Bob Gardner If you pass the written, the oral and practical to the satisfaction of the examiner, what exactly is the difference between learning in 10 days or 10 months? Knowledge is knowledge. If it stays in you, what does it matter how quickly you are taught it? On the other hand, not everyone learns at exactly the same speed so not everyone will be able to handle this type of instruction. As to judgement, this seems a complicated subject. From what I've read all my life about flying and what I've heard from pilots, poor judgement can come from pilots whether they are freshly minted or have thousands of hours of experience. It seems to depend on the individual and his/her level of confidence, whether deserved or not. Corky Scott |
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Jim Weir wrote:
With all due respects for my admiration for you, Bob... I've been considering for some time now starting a "14 day wonder" pilot course. Before you come up here to spend 24/7 for two weeks at my chosen motel, you've taken my ground school online and passed the written. If you haven't passed the written with a 90%+ you keep taking my online quizzes until you have taken ten of them in a row with 90%+. ... Some day Gail and I will be able to afford to establish the Flight School For Perfection. Until then...I respectfully disagree with your criticism of those who are trying to achieve it. Jim, If you do establish said flight school, I'm sure it would produce good pilots. However, I don't believe the standard "get your pilot rating quick" course is in any way an attempt to establish "the Flight School for Perfection". I think it's an attempt to get people their ratings, fast. Period. If I remember correctly, someone went through such a course and wrote a magazine article about it. I'll see if I can remember which and find it. He went, passed, got his rating, then went home to be evaluated by a local CFI/DE. IIRC, the evaluation was, the basic elements were there but the depth wasn't. Cheers, Sydney |
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The Air Force (which probably knows something about flying) sends many of
its pilots to get their introductory training at various FBOs. They allow 50 hours and 90 days for the pilot to get his private pilot certificate. We generally, with very intensive training, get these guys to finish in about 45 hours and 60 days. These are highly motivated people who have nothing to do but learn to fly. You probably will not see many Air Force pilots at a 10 day pilot school. |
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(Corky Scott) wrote
Knowledge is knowledge. If it stays in you, what does it matter how quickly you are taught it? But it doesn't stay Corky. Some more of that stuff that every kindergarden teacher is required to study in college that the average flight instructor has no clue about. Long term and short term memory and the methods and conditions required for transferring learning from one to the other. The FAA "Fundamentals of Instruction", universally condemmed by flight instructors, contains very good information about the teaching-learning process but in such condensed form that in "rote" learning it just to pass the test, flight instructors retain nothing from it. The 10-day quicky course relies almost solely on rote learning and I quote from the FOI, "Avoid rote learning, for it does not foster transfer". When I first joined PanAm way back in 1967, the Initial Qualification program for the B-707 was six months long. The Electrical System covered almost a complete week by itself. At the end, I personally felt well qualified. At the end in 1991, that same Initial Qualification course required only two months. Same basic information taught, just not enough time to learn and retain it. Electrical in the morning followed by hydraulics and flight controls that same afternoon. It wasn't very effective training. Bob Moore Teaching since 1962 |
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