Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

As you know, he did not volunteer for deployment in Vietnam.
When he enlisted in the ANG he indicated that he did not want
to be stationsed overseas.

You do know that these "dream sheets" were divided into two
parts: stateside and overseas, right? Any entry in the overseas
portion was considered volunteering for worldwide duty. If you
chose (for example) the UK and nothing else - your second (empty)
choice exactly matched the first opening in S.E. Asia, Korea,
Iceland, or Alaska (don't ask why its considered "overseas"...).

The smart guys filled in all the blocks with countries to which
they couldn't be assigned... they had volunteered, but not been
selected for any location in the world.

Mike Williamson wrote in message ...


Of course he knew about the Golf Courses- he volunteered for
deployment to Vietnam, as you have known for some time, as it came
up several times in the newspapers, these forums, and even
television news.


Nonsense.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm

Bush recalls that toward the end of his training, he
volunteered for the "Palace Alert" program ...
In any event,
he couldn't have been sent to Southeast Asia to take
part in the Vietnam War, at least not to fly a Delta
Dagger: the F-102 detachments in Vietnam and Thailand
were shut down in December 1969, before Bush got his wings.

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FF

On 10 Jul 2004 16:50:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

They had no golf in Vietnam.


Lots of pilots who flew F-102s didn't fly over Vietnam. I guess none
of them are as manly as ArtKramer huh?





Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: Scott Ferrin
Date: 7/10/2004 1:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On 10 Jul 2004 16:50:41 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

They had no golf in Vietnam.


Lots of pilots who flew F-102s didn't fly over Vietnam. I guess none
of them are as manly as ArtKramer huh?


You said that. Not me.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Newspaper report from Friday's Atlanta Journal-Constitution indicates that
the records which could have cleared up when and for what GW Bush was paid
during his enlistment have been inadvertently destroyed. Alas.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
They had no golf in Vietnam.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Newspaper report from Friday's Atlanta Journal-Constitution indicates that
the records which could have cleared up when and for what GW Bush was paid
during his enlistment have been inadvertently destroyed. Alas.

Must be in the same place that the Hildebeast Clinton's various files ended up.

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Now if Bush knew about those golf courses......

He tried to get into a program that could have landed hime near
one of them. He didn't have enough stick time it seems.


The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

A link:

http://awolbush.com/images/kerr_bush_nam.gif


Walt

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

Your point is? I don't think many of us actually did. Some did to get out of
a tour in places like Korea.

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet Nam.

Your point is? I don't think many of us actually did. Some did to get out
of
a tour in places like Korea.


The point is that someone said that Bush volunteered for Viet Nam, but there is
a document extant that shows he -did-not- volunteer for overseas assignment at
one point.

If he did later change his mind, I'd be glad to see it.

Walt

The point is that someone said that Bush volunteered for Viet Nam, but there
is
a document extant that shows he -did-not- volunteer for overseas assignment
at
one point.


Why is that a point worth debating? I joined the AF in 1968,flew F-4s, didn't
volunteer, and didn't end up in SEA until 1972. Wasn't avoiding it, just
didn't see that it made any difference one way or the other.

A friend in the old Air Defence Command did volunteer starting in 1967, flew
F-101, F-102, and F-4s and was never sent until 1972.

You guys are trying to put way too much spin in this. GWB followed a path that
others that I knew did either by choice, political influence, or luck of the
draw. Algore clearly did the same with his assignment as a press officer. A
two star I worked for did his tour as a navigator (!!) on a T-39 Learjet (c/s
Scatback) that ferried between Clark Air Base Phillipines, Saigon, and the Thai
bases. Flying a Deuce was far more dangerous in any circumstances.

To me the only thing that is totally unfathomable is why a decorated Vietnam
vet would hook up with the likes of Jane Fonda and her crowd to protest the war
unless it was to gain political traction under a Republican president.

Steve Mellenthin
2000 hrs F-4C/D/E/RF
270 Missions SEA 72-74
Repubican