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On Aug 1, 12:17 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Vaughn Simon" wrote ... As an LSA, tt is certified to an industry standard, not an FAA standard. I recently checked out in one and it even has a "warning" in the cockpit to that effect. Yes, BUT don't let that warning read with too much meaning, either. ... there are many, many homebuilts that far exceed the FAA standards. Some of the quality in homebuilts make certified aircraft look like erector set airplanes, in comparison. g Of course. As I pointed out to the Bradley Aerospace (Bradley Aerobat) company rep, 6061 T6 has 95% of the yield strength of 2024 T3, and better corrosion resistance so that you can make back some of that minor weight penalty by using less paint. He keeps harping on how 6061 is not "aircraft aluminum". So I asked him which standards organization sets the standards for "aircraft aluminum". His response to that was to delete my earlier article comparing 2024 to 6061. http://groups.msn.com/bradleyaerobat As far as I can tell, "aircraft aluminum" is marketing hype used to promote non-aviation products to a naive public. As such, the term fits right in with Bradley Aerospace's approach to marketing. -- FF |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:42:40 -0700, John Kimmel
wrote: wrote: On Jul 31, 4:03 am, Dave wrote: wrote: I have run across someone who insists that 6061 T6 is not "aircraft grade aluminum". He claims that there are no certified parts made from 6061. I find that hard to believe. Aren't there certified aircraft with welded aluminum frames? ... That is a pretty broad statement. Parts are made from any materials that the manufacturer desires/specifies. Wood, aluminum, brass, glass and anything in between. That includes 6061 of all tempers. That is kinda what I thought. I'd like to find some specific examples of certified aircraft parts made from 6061. I took a gander at Aircraft Spruce's online catalog, but the search function isn't set up for that. I'm thinking that certified metal props will probably be 6061 too. -- FF Main rotor blade and tail rotor blade spars and skins for Sikorsky S-61 and CH-53 are 6061-T6 the Fokker friendship was built from 6o61 as are the chris heintz designs. metal props are usually 2025. Stealth Pilot |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... "Vaughn Simon" wrote While I believe you are on the winning side in your argument about aircraft materials, the Zodiac may not be the best example to prove your point. As an LSA, tt is certified to an industry standard, not an FAA standard. I recently checked out in one and it even has a "warning" in the cockpit to that effect. Yes, BUT don't let that warning read with too much meaning, either. I don't, or I wouldn't have bothered checking out in the plane. My comment was only to point out that the OP might want to find a more bulletproof example to prove his point. Vaughn |
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"Fred" wrote As far as I can tell, "aircraft aluminum" is marketing hype used to promote non-aviation products to a naive public. As such, the term fits right in with Bradley Aerospace's approach to marketing. Bingo ! -- Jim in NC |
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Morgans wrote:
"Fred" wrote As far as I can tell, "aircraft aluminum" is marketing hype used to promote non-aviation products to a naive public. As such, the term fits right in with Bradley Aerospace's approach to marketing. Bingo ! Remember "parachute luggage" from the 1970s? "Made from the same material as Air Force parachutes." Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On Aug 1, 8:06 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:42:40 -0700, John Kimmel wrote: wrote: On Jul 31, 4:03 am, Dave wrote: wrote: I have run across someone who insists that 6061 T6 is not "aircraft grade aluminum". He claims that there are no certified parts made from 6061. I find that hard to believe. Aren't there certified aircraft with welded aluminum frames? ... That is a pretty broad statement. Parts are made from any materials that the manufacturer desires/specifies. Wood, aluminum, brass, glass and anything in between. That includes 6061 of all tempers. That is kinda what I thought. I'd like to find some specific examples of certified aircraft parts made from 6061. I took a gander at Aircraft Spruce's online catalog, but the search function isn't set up for that. I'm thinking that certified metal props will probably be 6061 too. -- FF Main rotor blade and tail rotor blade spars and skins for Sikorsky S-61 and CH-53 are 6061-T6 the Fokker friendship was built from 6o61 as are the chris heintz designs. metal props are usually 2025. Stealth Pilot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Cessnas I work on every day have a lot of extruded angle in them, and I bet much of it is 6061T6. Perhaps the spar caps are 2024T3 extrusions. Dan |
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As far as I can tell, "aircraft aluminum" is marketing hype
used to promote non-aviation products to a naive public Yep. Like "surgical steel". |
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On Aug 2, 1:55 am, wrote:
On Aug 1, 8:06 am, Stealth Pilot wrote: ... Main rotor blade and tail rotor blade spars and skins for Sikorsky S-61 and CH-53 are 6061-T6 the Fokker friendship was built from 6o61 as are the chris heintz designs. metal props are usually 2025. Stealth Pilot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The Cessnas I work on every day have a lot of extruded angle in them, and I bet much of it is 6061T6. Perhaps the spar caps are 2024T3 extrusions. Any welded aluminum is unlikely to be 2024. I have heard that DC-3s used 6061. -- FF |
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wrote in message ps.com... I have run across someone who insists that 6061 T6 is not "aircraft grade aluminum". He claims that there are no certified parts made from 6061. I find that hard to believe. Aren't there certified aircraft with welded aluminum frames? -- Seems like the drop tanks on the F-15 were 6061, they were certainly weldable. Possibly the early Harriers too. Been too many years to recall for sure. I welded on both of these programs at McDonnell Douglas, back in the 70s. |
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