Flight Recorder for SSA Badges

On Nov 18, 10:01*am, Carl6703 wrote:
I would like to retire our old Barographs and replace them with a
portable Flight Recorder that could be rented to candidates for SSA
badges. *Does anyone have any suggestions for a portable flight
recorder which would meet the badge requirements? Thanks.

Carl Baxter
Turf Soaring

I have a Nano and it is very easy to use and works well.
Blue Tooth with the Nano works, as does using the serial port with my
HX4700. There is one small hiccup if you are using XCSoar or LK8000.
So far declaring a task using LK8000 or XCSoar has not been possible.
The easy work around is using Navetir ConnectMe, which is a free
program, to declare tasks via your IPAQ just prior to take off. Of
course task inputs using a home or laptop computer are easy as well.

Mike "0"

Tony, how do you get SeeYou to read your barograph trace? Everytime I
try, the damn foil gets stuck in the usb port and it's hell getting it
all out!

But got to admit, the cockpit of a 2-33 just isn't complete without a
nice barograph bungeed to the floor...

Just kidding, folks - slow day at work ;^)

Kirk
66

Buy the Nano. I have one, fool proof, it will drive a Pda also. The Nano is

basicly a memory stick with a Gps built into it. The nano has its own
program attached to it. If you plug the Nano into your computer, it is
reconized, and all you have to do is click on the Nano menu and the 2 page

menu comes up. One menu is Nano setup, units, pilot id, etc. The other
menu is for waypoint and task loading. Very very simple.
As far as reading a flight. Open Seeyou and open the Nano flight file, and

your flight loads. It also runs on its own power for 14 hours if you lose
your
ships battery, or you can just use it by itself with its rechargeable
battery.

This logger is soooo easy. Highly recommended.

GL



18:38 18 November 2010, kirk.stant wrote:
Tony, how do you get SeeYou to read your barograph trace? Everytime I
try, the damn foil gets stuck in the usb port and it's hell getting it
all out!

But got to admit, the cockpit of a 2-33 just isn't complete without a
nice barograph bungeed to the floor...

Just kidding, folks - slow day at work ;^)

Kirk
66

Data loggers have come a long way and have all come down in price and will
likely continue to do so as long as there is competition from other
manufacturers.The FlyWithCE recorder
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/flywit...xx_gps_dat.htm really
started the revolution to bringing prices down at just a little over
$100..the Colibri
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/lx_nav...x7007_coli.htm did the
same to reduce costs from the older Cambridge loggers and has become one of
the most popular and reliable loggers since it was introduced . The Colibri
introduced USB and MicroSD Cards as serial devices were on their way
out..Don't overlook the ERIXX IGC Data-Logger,
http://www.imi-gliding.com/en/erixx-...-recorder.html tiny and simple and
best of all no one has to be an IT professional to run any of these newer
devices, most will download directly to a PC with USB plug in or simple SD
Card reader as is the Nano
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/lx_nav...ano_flight.htm and any
of the aforementioned loggers produce FAI/IGC files that are easy to view
with any flight planning software like SeeYou without having to go through
complicated conversion processes like the original loggers.
Like everyone else I have several options all available and all can ship
same day from stock.
tim
Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com


if you want to eliminate the barographs completely i'd say go with the
LXNAV Nano. Extremely small, entirely self contained in a unit that
is smaller than my cell phone, costs about the same as a 15 yr old
volkslogger or cambridge unit (~$600 at cumulus soaring and wings and
wheels and maybe others), easy operation. I just picked one up and am
looking forward to using it this upcoming season. I would think it
would be a great setup for rental.

just curious, why are you looking to retire the barographs? if you're
wanting your renters to be able to do closed course silver and gold
distance legs you can get some FlywithCE recorders (~$120 at Wings and
Wheels) to use in conjunction with the barographs. They have been
approved as "Position Recorders" in the USA to replace cameras and
turnpoint photos. Of course the Barograph alone is still all you need
to do free distance silver, gold and diamond distance and altitude
gains and silver duration.




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Just a quick note:

If you wind up not liking the LX NANO (which I haven't had a chance to
play with yet), I've been VERY happy with my EW Micro Recorder units
over the last 2 years. They've performed nearly flawlessly at several
contests and a big state-records flight this summer. Super-simple
operation, with an SD card slot and a single on/off button. You can
use the SD Card or a USB cable to plug into the unit and change
settings or download flight logs. Runs off of internal batteries or
can be powered externally. Easily removable from a glider, I mount
mine with velcro. Slightly larger than a deck of cards, and
lightweight to boot. Can drive a PDA (GPS NMEA output) and can accept
flight declarations from most of the PDA/flight computer programs out
there.

Good luck!

--Noel

The Power Flarm frenzy is the likely reason for the increase in used
flight recorders for sale. Anybody with an SN10 want a Volkslogger?
They're a great combo. I'll succumb to the pressure and get a PF if
someone buys my Volkslogger.....

On Nov 18, 1:15*pm, Tony wrote:

Darryl when I was working on my Silver Badge I did eventually get the
point of beating my head on the wall and nearly giving up. Giving up
on doing the paperwork and getting a good trace that is. *I always
seemed to fly further when I didn't have the barograph on board
anyway.

When I was starting doing my Silver Altitude and Duration, I started
with a neat barograph that used thermal paper. It was easy to get an
altitude trace. Then I tried to do my Silver distance flight. One
time doing the paper declaration, camera mounted on the window, grease
pencil mark, etc was enough. I ordered a Colibri as soon as I got
home from that trip.

It's just so simple.

On Nov 18, 8:20*pm, toad wrote:
On Nov 18, 1:15*pm, Tony wrote:

Darryl when I was working on my Silver Badge I did eventually get the
point of beating my head on the wall and nearly giving up. Giving up
on doing the paperwork and getting a good trace that is. *I always
seemed to fly further when I didn't have the barograph on board
anyway.

When I was starting doing my Silver Altitude and Duration, I started
with a neat barograph that used thermal paper. *It was easy to get an
altitude trace. *Then I tried to do my Silver distance flight. *One
time doing the paper declaration, camera mounted on the window, grease
pencil mark, etc was enough. *I ordered a Colibri as soon as I got
home from that trip.

It's just so simple.

it was only complicated because you wanted to fly a closed course

On Nov 18, 10:22*am, Tony wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:01*am, Carl6703 wrote:

I would like to retire our old Barographs and replace them with a
portable Flight Recorder that could be rented to candidates for SSA
badges. *Does anyone have any suggestions for a portable flight
recorder which would meet the badge requirements? Thanks.

Carl Baxter
Turf Soaring

if you want to eliminate the barographs completely i'd say go with the
LXNAV Nano. *Extremely small, entirely self contained in a unit that
is smaller than my cell phone, costs about the same as a 15 yr old
volkslogger or cambridge unit (~$600 at cumulus soaring and wings and
wheels and maybe others), easy operation. *I just picked one up and am
looking forward to using it this upcoming season. *I would think it
would be a great setup for rental.

just curious, why are you looking to retire the barographs? if you're
wanting your renters to be able to do closed course silver and gold
distance legs you can get some FlywithCE recorders (~$120 at Wings and
Wheels) to use in conjunction with the barographs. *They have been
approved as "Position Recorders" in the USA to replace cameras and
turnpoint photos. *Of course the Barograph alone is still all you need
to do free distance silver, gold and diamond distance and altitude
gains and silver duration.

Tony,

Getting a Badge Candidate set up with barograph is a task no one seems
eager to undertake. Then there are the periodic calibrations required
and the interpretation of the trace. The width of the line seems
important some times. Does anyone know if the LXNAV Nano will require
periodic calibrations for badge use?

Carl

At 02:20 19 November 2010, toad wrote:

Then I tried to do my Silver distance flight. One
time doing the paper declaration, camera mounted on the window, grease
pencil mark, etc was enough. I ordered a Colibri as soon as I got
home from that trip.

I dunno, I managed my Silver Distance (in a 1-26, thank you very much)
with a barograph and a little card for the landing witness to sign. No
camera, no destination declaration, just get in and go. And of course
you're an instant celebrity when you land at the airport at the other end
of the trip in a dumpy little glider. Great experience.

Jim Beckman