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Would this plane have flown?
I think....
If YOU are going to fly it, I'll bet $10 you'd have no problems. Buuuuuuuut, I'M not going to try! ;) |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/ I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me. However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of view I"m curious what you guys think. -Robert Robert, It would have flown, poorly. You would have had to hold right aileron to keep it strait. High speed characteristics would be un-known. You did the right thing getting replaced. Michelle (A&P) |
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Would this plane have flown?
Your alive so you must of made the right decision.
Who cares if it would of flown. You were able to fix it before you flew it. Good job. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/ I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me. However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of view I"m curious what you guys think. -Robert |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: http://www.thegaryhouse.com/aircraftdamage/ I was down in a remote area of Mexico this last weekend and a truck backed into my aileron. I was lucky that the driver had a sat phone and I was able to call an A&P to come down to Mexico and swap it for me. However, all the local pilots, and the A&P who came down seemed to think it would have flown ok as was. From a simply academic point of view I"m curious what you guys think. Nowadays I'd wait for repairs but a neighbour spent 5 years driving various two and four engined bombers over Occupied Europe and had a series of photos of just how little you -really- need in the way of contol surfaces |
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Would this plane have flown?
"Morgans" wrote in message news "Dudley Henriques" wrote Just looking at the photo, I would have been concerned about the outer attach point for possible post impact misalignment that might under load cause an issue, I'm with you, and a little more; the attach point would need a good inspection, and I would also want to trace all the rigging back to the yoke, to see if any other fittings or bearings or bellcranks or rods were damaged. That might take a bit of time, to expose all of that. -- Jim in NC You just never know about these "little bang jobs". There's an old saying in the fighter business. Treat every pilot you meet in the air as though he was better than you until he shows you by his actions that he isn't. Same goes for a damage decision. You should treat it as though it's serious until it's proven that it's not . This philosophy has managed to get me all the way through a career in one piece. There just might be something to it :-)) Dudley |
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"NW_PILOT" wrote I think it would have done OK! Yeah, I really trust your judgment. -- Jim in NC |
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Would this plane have flown?
A ferry permit could be issued for such a
condition and an inspection for range of motion, security, etc signed of by an A mechanic and of course it would be finally up to the pilot whether to fly. I would not want to fly it IFR, most ferry permits only allow Day/VFR. One of the reasons I didn't want to try for the permit is because I just don't know what the procedure would have been, but I expect it would have taken months. The initial inspection would have had to have been done by an A&E and then approved by Mexico City. However, then comes the custom's duties, etc. Finally, I'd need an A&P to look at it before I entered the U.S. (or right after entering, I don't recall). So I kept very, very quiet about it. I didn't tell the Mexicans about it and didn't mention anything to U.S. customs.I believe that technically both the A&P and I could have both been arrested since I believe it is totally illegal for an A&P to do any major repair without an A&E present. I guess I got lucky that the guy who hit me had a sat phone on him. Otherwise I would have been faced with the decision. Either fly it out of there as-is or abandon the plane there. |
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Would this plane have flown?
I guess I got lucky that the guy who hit me had a sat phone on him.
Otherwise I would have been faced with the decision. Either fly it out of there as-is or abandon the plane there. Well, at that point the insurance company owns the plane. Do you want to do them a favor that badly? Jose -- Nothing takes longer than a shortcut. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Would this plane have flown?
I'm not sure about the Mexican rules or even Customs duties
on bringing the repaired airplane back. But a visit to the FSDO by the A&P before he came to Mexico, with the proper details would have resulted in a quick issuance of a Special Airworthiness Certificate [ferry permit] and the A&P would make such repairs as needed before signing the logbook and the certificate to make the flight legal. You would also want to contact your insurance company because most aircraft insurance policies are restricted to "when a valid standard airworthiness certificate" is on the airplane. A ferry permit is not a standard airworthiness certificate and your insurance is not in force. That would be a violation of Mexican law. Also, not informing your insurance company makes it difficult or impossible to recover damages from the truck driver. Since the airplane was US registered and the work was done by a US A&P, the FAA would have issued the permit within a hour. But Mexican labor law might have also required that you hire a Mexican mechanic to supervise. I hope you flew it back solo and sent the family by airline or bus. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... | A ferry permit could be issued for such a | condition and an inspection for range of motion, security, | etc signed of by an A mechanic and of course it would be | finally up to the pilot whether to fly. I would not want to | fly it IFR, most ferry permits only allow Day/VFR. | | One of the reasons I didn't want to try for the permit is because I | just don't know what the procedure would have been, but I expect it | would have taken months. The initial inspection would have had to have | been done by an A&E and then approved by Mexico City. However, then | comes the custom's duties, etc. Finally, I'd need an A&P to look at it | before I entered the U.S. (or right after entering, I don't recall). | So I kept very, very quiet about it. I didn't tell the Mexicans about | it and didn't mention anything to U.S. customs.I believe that | technically both the A&P and I could have both been arrested since I | believe it is totally illegal for an A&P to do any major repair without | an A&E present. | | I guess I got lucky that the guy who hit me had a sat phone on him. | Otherwise I would have been faced with the decision. Either fly it out | of there as-is or abandon the plane there. | |
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