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Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else
can enjoy them. I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50 hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100 hours. Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships. There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those 1-35's fit the bill though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11 for half the cost and look out through the top of the canopy with the 90 degree flaps just as well. Thats my under 10k dollars worth. Ray |
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Hi,
I also had a lot of fun in a 1-35c I co-owned a few years ago. I got most of my badges and many state records in it. It was fun to fly and pretty easy to fly. A great value. However, I must admit that while the flaps were not a problem for me (or anyone with experience with flaps) I still prefer airbrakes - give the choice. As mentioned by someone else, the used Ventus is also a great value. It has a reputation of being tough to fly, but I didn't think it was difficult to fly. It is certainly not as easy to fly as a Junior or Discus, but I think it is a great value in regard to performance for the price. But I must admit that when I flew a Discus after flying the Ventus, I was amazed at how wonderful the Discus flies. It is extremely easy to fly! Perhaps my experience was partly due to the fact that I was at home in the cockpit because it is identical to the Ventus cockpit. So, my point is that I would take an old Discus over an old Ventus any day. But so would many other pilots and the prices reflect that. Good Soaring, Paul Remde wrote in message oups.com... My first glider was a 1-35C. It served me well. Entering the 36:1 club for only $15-18K is a good deal. The 1-35 was designed to compete with the growth in fiberglass planes; while it could keep up, it still was a bit shy on performance at the higher speeds. I flew side-by-side flight performance comparisons with a friend in his ASW-19. We were perfectly matched in the common flight regimes but differed in three areas: 1) The 1-35 thermalled slower and tighter due to lower wing loading and flaps, 2) The 1-35 landed extremely shorter thanks to the flaps and steep approach angle, and 3) The 1-35 noticeably dropped below the ASW-19's glide when faster than 80 KIAS. But high speed was not the reason I bought one. Learning cross-country and safely landing very slowly in fields were the huge draws for me as a new guy. At the time of purchase, I had 29 glider hours; the flaps were no big deal for me due to high-time in powered airplanes. My 1-35C was the plane that first took me away from the airport where I learned to fly gliders. It was a good ownership learning plane for me. That is, when I put a dent into it learning how to assemble, move, or put the plane back in the box, it was easy to fix. Being metal also allowed me to feel comfortable about flying it during our cold Colorado winters. My current plane is fiberglass and thus stays in its box during the cold season. For around $15K, these two 1-35s are a great buy for both the new guy and the experienced guy. Raul Boerner |
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jb92563 wrote: Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else can enjoy them. I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50 hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100 hours. Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships. There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Hmm. Let's quant this up. Here are the prices for used sailplanes in the Wings & Wheels ads with prices in US dollars, rounded to the nearest thousand, and divided into price-decades: 4K 4K 4K 5K 5K 6K 6K 6K 7K 7K 7K 7K 8K 9K 9K 10K 10K 10K 10K 10K 11K 11K 11K 11K 11K 12K 12K 12K 13K 13K 13K 14K 15K 15K 15K 15K 15K 16K 16K 16K 16K 16K 16K 17K 17K 17K 18K 19K 19K 20K 20K 20K 20K 20K 21K 21K 22K 22K 23K 23K 24K 25K 25K 25K 26K 28K 29K 31K 32K 33K 35K 36K 38K 42K 44K 45K 50K 50K 50K 52K 53K 54K 55K 58K 78K 80K 90K 92K Based on this, it seems a buyer has plenty of options at most prices, with two exceptions. If he want to pay something in the forties, he is SOL, and if he wants to pay more than sixy, he should probably be looking at new rather than used ships. Johan Larson |
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kirk.stant wrote: wrote: sold the 22 to Europe. I am borrowing a Ventus A until I get a new toy. Regards Al Hmm, Ventus A flies like crap, but goes like stink! exactly All a matter of priorities. Still a shame about XC-capable gliders (even Schweizers) just sitting around like that... True, I would rate them more as a club rental glider than a hard core XC machine. 66 |
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jb92563 wrote: Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else can enjoy them. I know of a number of aircraft that people have "Collected" and never fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50 hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100 hours. Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships. There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those 1-35's fit the bill though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11 for half the cost and look out through the top of the canopy with the 90 degree flaps just as well. Thats my under 10k dollars worth. Ray I have been looking for a Pilatus B4 for some time and I too have found at least three (maybe including the two you mentioned) and maybe a fourth that have been sitting for a long time (years) and the owners will not sell them. I have seen the same syndrome in cars. I am very well aware of two serious cases wherein one owner has a collection of serious classics (Porche, Zagato Fiat) and is letting them rot in a field by his house. The second owner has Roll Royce, Bugatti, Jaguar, etc and the same thing. Rotting away in storage that is not protected from the weather. Strange!! Greg |
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Romantics can't give up their dreams; it's that simple.
At 02:06 08 December 2006, Gfoster07k wrote: jb92563 wrote: Geez....at least those are being shared with the public so someone else can enjoy them. I know of a number of aircraft that people have 'Collected' and never fly, a couple Pliatus B4's that are virtually brand new with maybe 50 hours.......they will die from corrosion before they ever make 100 hours. Its truly sad and I think all the old ships should be brought to the table so us new owners can progress through some cool ships and not have to trade 1-26's until we hit the jackpot and make the jump from under $10,000 to the $30,000 + ships. There is a real gap in the 10k to 30k range. Those 1-35's fit the bill though although I can get 1-35 performance in my HP-11 for half the cost and look out through the top of the canopy with the 90 degree flaps just as well. Thats my under 10k dollars worth. Ray I have been looking for a Pilatus B4 for some time and I too have found at least three (maybe including the two you mentioned) and maybe a fourth that have been sitting for a long time (years) and the owners will not sell them. I have seen the same syndrome in cars. I am very well aware of two serious cases wherein one owner has a collection of serious classics (Porche, Zagato Fiat) and is letting them rot in a field by his house. The second owner has Roll Royce, Bugatti, Jaguar, etc and the same thing. Rotting away in storage that is not protected from the weather. Strange!! Greg |
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