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Penta writes:
On 24 Dec 03 10:27:36 -0500, "Ash Wyllie" wrote: John Schilling opined Chad Irby writes: Out of the tens of thousands of cannons sitting on the north side of the border, anyone want to bet that no more than a couple of hundred actually get to fire? Especially with a few dozen MLRS launchers and a couple of hundred attack aircraft cranking out a few million submunitions across their firing positions... while reducing their command centers to smoking holes in the ground and jamming communications. How do you jam a homing pigeon? Big magnet. More to the point, I thought carrier pigeons were extinct? Passenger pigeons are extinct, but they were never relevant for this sort of thing. Carrier/Homing pigeons are doing just fine. I know homing pigeons aren't, but I thought they weren't useful for communications purposes? Hey, I;ll have you know you can run the internet by carrier pigeon, per RFC 1149 http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ Carrier pigeons are and always have been useful for communications purposes when other channels are not available, and are one of many legitimate rebuttals to the mindless, "we can shut down all their electronics, so their armies will just sit around waiting to die" bit. High bandwidth and low latency they are not, but adequate for getting out the "Execute War Plan Blue ASAP" message to people who already have their part of War Plan Blue in sealed envelopes on-site. -- *John Schilling * "Anything worth doing, * *Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" * *Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition * *White Elephant Research, LLC * "There is no substitute * * for success" * *661-951-9107 or 661-275-6795 * -58th Rule of Acquisition * |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
In article , "Gord Beaman" ) writes: "a425couple" wrote: "Paul J. Adam" wrote in When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Where does this quote come from? Churchill one would assume... Manitoba? Which one of the bears said that? Winnie "The Pooh" Spencer, a very political animal, if you ask me (I know you haven't). -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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Penta wrote:
On 24 Dec 03 10:27:36 -0500, "Ash Wyllie" wrote: John Schilling opined Chad Irby writes: Out of the tens of thousands of cannons sitting on the north side of the border, anyone want to bet that no more than a couple of hundred actually get to fire? Especially with a few dozen MLRS launchers and a couple of hundred attack aircraft cranking out a few million submunitions across their firing positions... while reducing their command centers to smoking holes in the ground and jamming communications. How do you jam a homing pigeon? Big magnet. More to the point, I thought carrier pigeons were extinct? I know homing pigeons aren't, but I thought they weren't useful for communications purposes? Same species, both of them: _Columba livia_ or the rock dove. If the buildings on the Spark Street Mall in Ottawa are any indication, they are not going to be extinct any time before we are. Their main redeeming quality is that the local peregrine falcons think them good eating. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:46:33 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
wrote: Peter Stickney wrote: In article , "Gord Beaman" ) writes: "a425couple" wrote: "Paul J. Adam" wrote in When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Where does this quote come from? Churchill one would assume... Manitoba? Which one of the bears said that? Winnie "The Pooh" Spencer, a very political animal, if you ask me (I know you haven't). Winnie was from White River Ontario but emigrated to the UK with his unit, the Second Canadian Infantry Brigade. When the unit was posted to France he took up residence in the London Zoo where he lived until 1934. Peter Skelton |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:39:05 GMT, Charles Gray wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:37:20 GMT, Fred J. McCall wrote: (phil hunt) wrote: :The UK has very small armed forced considering the size of the :country's defence budget. Compare the UK (Population 59 :million, spends 2.5% of GDP on arms) ordering 220 Typhoons whereas :Sweden (population 9 million, spends 2% of GDP on arms) can order :almost as many (204) Gripens. Even taking into account that Britain :spends a larger proportion of its defense budget on its navy, and :the Typhoon's unit cost is larger than the Gripen's, there's :something wrong here. Britain spends money on things that Sweden does not, of course. Strategic weaponry is expensive to develop and maintain. Not to mention the abilty to quickly deploy-- how long woudl it take Sweden to move a unit of soldiers to the Middle East, or move them prepared to fight at the end of the journey. If there for a real need for them to deploy -- such as an invasion of an EU country (for example in a future scenario where Turkey is in the EU), they would no doubt go by road. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse the last two letters). |
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(John Schilling) wrote:
High bandwidth and low latency they are not, but adequate for getting out the "Execute War Plan Blue ASAP" message to people who already have their part of War Plan Blue in sealed envelopes on-site. Assuming the people who are sending the messages have already trained the birds to fly to the various locations... They are a valid backup method for some uses, but one that takes considerable work to establish and maintain. D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Same species, both of them: _Columba livia_ or the rock dove. If the buildings on the Spark Street Mall in Ottawa are any indication, they are not going to be extinct any time before we are. Their main redeeming quality is that the local peregrine falcons think them good eating. Small nit here Andrew...isn't it "Sparks Street" vice "Spark Street"?... -- -Gord. |
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Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Peter Stickney wrote: In article , "Gord Beaman" ) writes: "a425couple" wrote: "Paul J. Adam" wrote in When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Where does this quote come from? Churchill one would assume... Manitoba? Which one of the bears said that? Winnie "The Pooh" Spencer, a very political animal, if you ask me (I know you haven't). Damn...Andrew beat me to it. -- -Gord. |
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