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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact?
There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are flying with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other plane on an IFR flight plan? When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't imagine that there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor by radar. |
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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
"John Doe" wrote in
ink.net: How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact? There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are flying with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other plane on an IFR flight plan? When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't imagine that there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor by radar. The UAV is primarily looking at the ground.... -- -- ET :-) "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."---- Douglas Adams |
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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
"ET" wrote in message ... "John Doe" wrote in ink.net: How much of the American boarder with Mexico is out of radar contact? There was some fuss about the FAA creating TFRs for the UAVs that are flying with boarder patrol along the Mexico. Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other plane on an IFR flight plan? When there is so much talk about securing the boarders, I can't imagine that there is any strip of the boarder that we can not monitor by radar. The UAV is primarily looking at the ground.... Really? Gee and here this whole time I thought it was a cheap AWACS.....not sh*t it's looking at the ground. Ok, maybe I better explain my question. The ISSUE seems to be deconfliction between the UAV flying boarder patrol and VFR aircraft to ensure the two shall not collide. |
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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder(sic)
"John Doe" wrote in message ink.net... The UAV is primarily looking at the ground.... Really? Gee and here this whole time I thought it was a cheap AWACS.....not sh*t it's looking at the ground. Ok, maybe I better explain my question. The ISSUE seems to be deconfliction between the UAV flying boarder patrol and VFR aircraft to ensure the two shall not collide. The whole problem seems to be the conflict between border and boarder. Introducing two separate and distinct subjects confuses some of our readers.(LOL) Tex |
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"JD" == John Doe writes:
JD Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and JD everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other JD plane on an IFR flight plan? Because that's not the way it works in VMC. In VMC, *everybody* avoids everybody else visually, as well as with other aids (ATC). So if the "little thing" is flying, and I'm flying, and it's VMC and I'm not talking to ATC, and I don't see that "little thing", and of course nobody is onboard the UAV to see me....midairs happen. |
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"Bob Fry" wrote in message news "JD" == John Doe writes: JD Why can't the UAV just fly along under an IFR flight plan and JD everyone else just avoid the little thing just like any other JD plane on an IFR flight plan? Because that's not the way it works in VMC. In VMC, *everybody* avoids everybody else visually, as well as with other aids (ATC). So if the "little thing" is flying, and I'm flying, and it's VMC and I'm not talking to ATC, and I don't see that "little thing", and of course nobody is onboard the UAV to see me....midairs happen. Ok, you just contradicted yourself. If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a midair, it's your fault. Why does it matter if anyone is on board the UAV or not? Personally I think a NOTAM saying when/where the UAVs will be should be enough for VFR pilots to avoid the thing. Why do we need a TFR? |
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If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a
midair, it's your fault. It's also partly the UAV's fault. Everything is required to see and avaoid in VMC. Jose -- Money: what you need when you run out of brains. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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("Jose" wrote)
It's also partly the UAV's fault. Everything is required to see and avaoid in VMC. That's pretty much what the 'illegals' on the ground are trying to do also - see and avoid. Montblack |
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UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
John Doe wrote:
If you're flying in VMC and you don't see that "little thing", and have a midair, it's your fault. Why does it matter if anyone is on board the UAV or not? Who cares whose fault it is? You're much more likely to be blindsided by one of these things than by an aircraft piloted by someone who isn't suicidal. Personally I think a NOTAM saying when/where the UAVs will be should be enough for VFR pilots to avoid the thing. Why do we need a TFR? Put out a NOTAM, and the people smugglers will be able to find out what areas aren't being patrolled at the moment. George Patterson Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to your slightly older self. |
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"George Patterson" wrote \ Put out a NOTAM, and the people smugglers will be able to find out what areas aren't being patrolled at the moment. How about a NOTAM that says the areas involved, and the altitude the thing will be flying at, and leave the notam in place. Then, all you have to do is avoid, say 2000 feet and you will not hit/be hit by it. -- Jim in NC |
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